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Happy Day After Xmas!

Otherwise known everywhere else in the English-speaking world as Boxing Day. 🙂 Hope everyone who celebrates had a Merry Xmas or Happy Hanukkah.

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At the end of the day, fictional characters and fictional relationships don’t really matter. The people you meet through the world of fiction are infinitely more valuable than the fictional characters themselves. Lisa was such a bright light of hope in our little community and in the wider Once universe. Lisa will be missed.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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That is so tragic about the passing of Lisa. I didn’t know she had been terminally ill. She was such a fan of Neal. How good of MRJ to express his condolences. Bless her memory and may her spirit find peace. May her family find comfort.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I have now had this song stuck in my head for 24 hours. Well, except when NannyBaby made me sing Let It Go as we walked around the zoo tonight :/

Never Say Never

Bonus… it is sung by Henri

I think I may have taken a dose of whatever DSB has been on. Maybe it’s just the jolly Christmas spirit which has affected me. Whatever it is, I’ve not been able to get this song out of my head, which for me is such a strong SF song:

Can’t Stop Loving You by Phil Colllins

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl – Go ahead and skip this post. You don’t have to read it or comment on it, since I care about your blood pressure. 🙂

I had a thought the other day. With season 5 potentially being the last season of Once (A&E said they had enough material for 5 seasons, Robert Carlyle was signed for 5 seasons, etc), If Emma is going to end the series with anyone, it’s going to have to be someone she’s already in a relationship with on the show or has been in a relationship with on the show. It’s too late now to build up a new relationship with a new character and present it as Emma’s true love with only 33 episodes left (if season 5 is the last).

You make some interesting points. I also am pretty sure that S5 will be the absolute last season. The ratings were at their lowest point ever at the close of S4A. Plus, we’re getting mention of the author and talk of happy endings. Clearly, the end is within sight. However, I’m still not convinced that Emma has to end up with anyone romantically. After all, Henry is her confirmed true love. I could very well see a set up in which Emma, Regina and Henry all live happily ever after in an ambiguous way with lots of undertones, without Hook or Robin Hood in sight.

With Neal currently dead, it seems like Hook is going to be the one. However, it seems a little to early within the show to hook Emma up with the guy she’s going to live “happily ever after” with when there is still a season and a half to go.

I still don’t think Emma has to end up with any guy other than Henry, which is probably the best outcome if Neal must remain dead for good. The current low ratings seem to suggest that that general audience is fed up with the current story, which includes Hook and Emma sucking face at least every other episode. No one other than a handful of CSers really want to see that. Fans mostly watch for Regina and Rumple; but with Rumple’s character currently being raked through the mud, then even that doesn’t appeal to fans. Despite the over promotion of Frozen and of Hook, I don’t think that is what a general audience wants or was hoping for in the end. Maybe change is coming.

If the writers are aiming for some big angst for CS which splits the couple up but they get back together, then they are leaving it too late unless Emma is very forgiving and OOC. Emma seems like a “one chance and you’re gone” girl. Once you’ve betrayed her, that’s it your gone from her life, game over. She did it with Neal (when she thought he set her up to take the fall for him), she did it with Lily (when Lily lied to her), she did it to Ingrid (when Ingrid pushed her in front of the car), she did it with Walsh (when he turned into a flying Monkey), when Hook betrays Emma, she’s going to be done with him.

Hook has already betrayed Emma. He did it when he left her and the other princesses for dead in a magically-fortified jail cell. Yet that has never been brought up again. Rug sweeping! S1 Emma never would’ve given Hook a pass for that, but her character was rewritten to make her give into Hook’s romantic pursuit. But maybe, just maybe, Emma will discover that Hook was banging Henry’s grandmother and dump his but? I never thought Milha would be brought up, but as recently as S4, Rumple mentioned Milha to Hook again. So maybe there is hope for the dirty laundry to be aired? Let me dream.

The writers don’t like writing happy ships, if they do they get pushed to the background (Snowing and happy RumBelle), when there’s major angst they’re in the foreground (RumBelle and OQ last episode). CS have had fairly smooth sailing so far yet haven’t been pushed to the background so what gives?

You make a good point about how Emma and Hook seem to be on easy street now, but that A&E don’t like to write “happy couples” and that it’s hardly ever smooth sailing for anyone else besides the Charmings (who’re now secondary characters after S2). I have a feeling that there are going to be bumpy seas ahead for Hook and Emma. However, that isn’t proof of anything; it’s just a hunch. I thought that all the secrets Hook has been keeping from Emma would come out during the Spell of Shattered Sight, but when it turned out that neither Hook nor Emma were affected by the curse, I sort of lost hope of Emma ever discovering the truth. However, maybe the writers are saving the CS angst for the end of S4 when they (hopefully) break up. The rock troll did warn Anna in “Family Business” that “these things have a way of coming out in the end.” Only time will tell.

I’ve never seen Hook and Emma as an “end game”couple. If Emma ends up with anyone else is besides Neal, it’s going to be Henry, and Regina (if only as a platonic co-parent). The fact that Henry confessed he never liked Hook and that he is not okay with Emma dating the “dirty pirate” seems to suggest that to me. In the end, Emma just cannot end up with someone whom Henry is unhappy about including in their family.

If Emma and Hook do end up together, then the writers have to show Hook have genuine concern and love for the boy, and show Henry return Hook’s fatherly feelings. However, that just isn’t what’s been happening. Instead, Hook was only shown as being interested in whether Emma claimed they were “together.” Hook isn’t at all motivated by love for Henry the way Neal was shown obviously to be concerned with his son. As Will Scarlet said, Hook was just spending time with Henry to get in with the mother. “No one will see through that,” Will remarked sardonically. Since this story is supposed to be just as much Henry’s fairytale as it is Emma’s, I fail to see how Henry gaining a step-father he despises is supposed to be Henry’s idea of a happy ending. No! Clearly, the best case scenario for Henry would be to have his father back in his life–the father who loved his son and twice gave his life to save him.

Hook always seemed like Emma’s “Mr. Right Now” rather than her “Mr. Right.” The fact that Hook’s cursed lips actually stole Emma of her true love magic pretty much underscored that in my mind. Whatever Hook and Emma have, it is not true love, since Zelena said that curse was born of the selfish vow that Hook made upon Emma’s name. Selfish love is the opposite of true love. Rather than Emma and Hook being shown has having true love, they were definitely shown has having the opposite, as evidenced by the anti-true love kiss that robbed Emma of her magic. Hook was always Mr. Wrong for Emma in my opinion. And if the writers weren’t trying to show just how wrong Hook is for Emma, then why on Earth would they shown Emma and Hook having an anti-true love kiss? How does Emma’s happy ending include the antithesis of true love?

I think Neal could be coming back, possibly end of 4B/season 5. He’s connected to too many characters to be gone for good so early in the series. Why bother making MRJ a regular when recurring status would have suited better. For example: See Sean Maguire during season 4. I think the writers were pressurised by ABC to pursue CS but since storywise they wanted to do SF, they decided to kill off Neal (since CS couldn’t happen with him around) which freed MRJ to do other stuff whilst they pursued the CS storyline with the intention to bring back Neal once CS had run it’s course.

That would be interesting to see, especially with the return of Eion Bailey as August having been recently confirmed. Sean Maguire did recently tweet MRJ that he looked forward to seeing him again soon, and Adam Horowitz did tweet to William Shatner “never say never” about the return of Neal. While Adam may have just been trolling, Neal Cassidy also got nominated for the “Most Missed Character” in the People’s Choice Awards, which in and of itself is nice for MRJ and his fans, but which also sends a loud signal to ABC and the writers that Neal Cassidy is very missed on the show. Also, would Adam Horowitz really troll an actor like Will Shatner? I’d hope not! While I wish MRJ bigger and better things than the likes of this fandom, I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I secretly long for the return of Neal, if even in the very last episode of the very last season. My dream end for Emma and Henry, whose fairytale this is supposed to be, always and will forever include Baelfire. Neal and Henry were and are Emma’s confirmed true love. It would just be utterly tragic for Emma’s happy ending not to include both of her true loves.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Also, there was that golden egg that contained the true love potion which Charming planted in Mal’s side when she was w dragon.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I did a search and Joel Feinberg was a leading American political and moral philosopher of the 20th century:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Feinberg

From Wikipedia:

In the final argument, Feinberg sees a paradox. The only way to achieve happiness, he believes, is to forget about it, but psychological egoists hold that all human endeavour, even that which achieves happiness, is geared towards happiness. Feinberg poses a thought experiment in which a character named Jones is apathetic about all but the pursuit of his own happiness. Because he has no means to achieve that end, however, “t takes little imagination […] to see that Jones’s one desire is bound to be frustrated.” To pursue only happiness, then, is to fail utterly to achieve it.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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With the news of August returning, I can’t help but wonder if it’ll be in a series of flashbacks or memories extracted from young Pinocchio. I always expected August to be connected to the author somehow, as would the Blue Fairy, who made finale preparations before the first dark curse hit. Would Pinocchio be transformed back into a man? That would seem kind of like an unhappy ending for Geppetto and him though, since Pinocchio being a boy gave them a second chance to be father and son.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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So I tried to resist but the spoiler about Eion Bailey returning lured me in. Let me get this straight. Both Mal and August are coming back in multi-episode arcs, but we can’t have Neal back? I just want Neal back, even though I wish MRJ far better things than he found with this fandom. 🙁

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I’ve been thinking I need to take another long break after the long hiatus like over the summer. Thank goodness for the break! There is only so much you can take. #ThingsINeverThoughtI’dSayAboutOnce

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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