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Regina made magic from magic before the curse was broken. Remember the obnoxiously big apple turnover that only required one bite to put Henry into a coma?

Yeah, but that seemed like a very rare, isolated event to me. On the whole, Regina did not perform magic during the 28 years the curse was in place because there was no atmospheric magic in A Land Without Magic until Rumple brought it to SB.

Honestly, I don’t think Henry has magic.

That’s fine. Everyone can believe as she likes. I was just putting forward my own musings on the matter.

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Yet logic, reason and morality have little to no place in discussions about this show, do they?

Nope. I think this show is now where logic, reason and morality go to die in favor of magic, hotness and villains getting happy endings. Ta da! *jazz hands*

RumplesGirl wrote: Barbara Barnett actually turned off ONCE last night in the second hour because she couldn’t take anymore.

Oof. Yeah. I guess if you still had any ounce of hope left for Rumple, then this episode would’ve killed that hope. While I hate what Rumple attempted to do to Emma, I no longer care so much about what Rumple does. I sort of see him as a lost cause, even if Belle doesn’t yet.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Something else to consider, Regina raised Henry since he was a baby. If Henry started making his favorite toys float while he was in his crib, I think that’s something Regina would have mentioned to him. So I actually believe Regina when she says that he’s not magical.

But there was no magic in Storybrooke when Henry was a baby, so there was no way Regina could’ve noticed the signs. Regina herself couldn’t even perform magic before Rumple dumped a bottle of true love potion in the well at the end of S1. Also, Henry hasn’t been living with Regina under the same roof since very early S2. She offered to teach Henry magic in S2, which must mean she at least thinks Henry is capable of it, even if he hasn’t shown an “early spark” the way say Zelena did.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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As for the lights flickering thing when Henry was born, I always interpreted that scene as Emma’s always had magic inside of her (she is the product of true love after all).

Well, I happen to think Henry is the product of true love, too, but that is a serious point of contention, I know. I’ll say that I don’t think it was Emma who made the lights flicker when Henry was born. I think it was Henry who did that. After all, it was directly paralleled to when baby Neal was born and the lights flickered. Snow didn’t do that, since she doesn’t have magic. Baby Neal did, just as I think Henry did.

I’m not sure if Henry has magic. If he did, I think it would have manifested itself a long time ago to be honest.

Well, I think Henry’s magic has yet to manifest itself. Just because it hasn’t yet, doesn’t mean it never will. In that the deleted scene from 4×2, Henry talks to Rumple about what his lineage might mean.

Rumple: You only think you can’t stand it, but you can. You know why? You have the lineage of the dark one, plus the blood of the savior running through your veins.
Henry: Does that mean something?
Rumple: Time will tell, but only if you let things unfold as they ought.

My own conclusion is that this is a major hint of things to come. I believe Henry’s lineage of being born of Emma and Baelfire, as well as being raised by Regina, will culminate in Henry being a very powerful young wizard.

Remember, he couldn’t remove his heart in Neverland, Pan had to put an enchantment on him in order for it be removed. And Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart in order for it to be protected, Regina had to do that.

I remember. But Peter Pan required Henry to remove his own heart. Why is that? Well possibly because Peter Pan couldn’t remove it by force, but if Henry gave it willingly, it’s a gift, not a stolen thing. The reason Henry couldn’t put an enchantment on his own heart may have been because his own magic has yet to manifest, but as I said, I think that revelation has yet to come.

Emma can’t take her heart either–no one can.

Do we know for sure Emma can’t remove her own heart? We’ve never seen her try have we? We’ve only seen Cora fail at attempting to steal it. It might be Emma could remove her own heart if she so chose, but no one else could.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I’m glad to hear this bit of news. It’s about time Belle and Rumple actually get to spend some time onscreen together beyond Family business.

True, but on the downside, the way the spoiler was worded made it sound like she won’t play much of an important role until the mid-season finale.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Mind you both Cora’s and Felix’s hearts were bright red and they were villains. So was Tamara’s.

Yeah, the coloration of one’s heart highly depends on whatever the plot calls for. If the plot calls for a black heart as it did for Snow’s inner darkness to be manifested, then that is what the plot calls for. If the plot doesn’t specify that this specific heart is black at this particular point in time, then well, the prop team won’t go through the trouble of making it black. Why should the prop team bother with consistency if the writers don’t even? Why bother to blacken the hearts of people who’ve killed before for the sake of consistancy when you can just gloss over those details?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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So far we have: 1. The Dark Curse 2. Magic Wardrobe 3. Magic Bean 4. Mermaid 5. Rabbit Hole 6. Silver Slippers and 7. Sorcerer’s Door. I wonder if we’ll make it to 10 before the show’s over?

Also added to that list are 8. the tornado that initially brought Dorothy from Kansas to Oz, as well as brought baby Zelena from the EF to Oz 9. the looking glasses which took Cora, Will and Anastasia from the Enchanted Forest to Wonderland and 10. the shadow which takes children to Neverland from both the Enchanted Forest (Roland/Neal) as well as from A Land Without Magic (Baelfire/Wendy). Now we have at least 10 different means of transportation between various realms, not including Jefferson’s hat.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I did have to wonder if the Cat in the Hat had any significance whatsoever, since we do have a very powerful and prominent sorcerer’s hat in a powerful wizard’s possession. In that children’s story, a cat with a hat full of tricks comes to visit some child at home alone and makes a horrible mess of things, only to clean things up right in the nick of time before the mother gets home.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I don’t believe he wants to take over the world, either. I do believe he wants an ultimate power…and possibly a way to get his son back.

On the one hand, I want to believe that, but after Rumple tried to kill Emma, that doesn’t make as much sense to me. Would clever Rumple be so daft as to try and resurrect his son by killing the mother of Neal’s child? Neal would never ever be able to forgive his father. Neal probably is spinning in his grave over Rumple attempting to murder the woman whom Neal died to protect. Rumple knew better than to try and murder Henry after he found out Neal was alive in Neverland. But Rumple seemed surprised that his son didn’t trust him, though Rumple had previously chosen the power of the dagger over his son and attempted to murder his own grandson. While Rumple did eventually sacrifice himself to save his loved ones and chose his son over his dagger in 3×15, now it seems like Neal’s initial mistrust of his father was well justified after Rumple attempted to murder the woman Neal loved. Rumple is getting worse in his pursuit of power, though I admit, I still don’t want to believe he wants absolute power just for power’s sake.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Zelena also seems rather unhinged and unreliable, no?

True. I don’t know who is worse, Zelena or Ingrid, or therefore who to trust, if either. Both had their share of issues, that’s for sure. One thing is for sure: baby Snowflake was the missing ingredient in a powerful spell which successfully tore a hole in the fabric of time. Also, when did Ingrid declare baby Snowflake to be without magic?

I agree that baby Snowflake probably has magic–it wouldn’t make sense otherwise. I just don’t know about Henry because I think the writers themselves haven’t quite decided.

I think the writers have hinted at Henry having magic. I believe they said that the reason they deleted the scene of Henry and Rumple from 4×2 or 4×3 was because it was hinting at Henry’s arc for the season, and it may have given too much away. (i.e. Henry has magic of his own).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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