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ParticipantI’m really leaning toward the theory that they’re splitting Killian from Captain Hook… “He’s Back”
Yeah, I think you’re right @WickedRegal, especially with CO’D’s not-so-cryptic tweet of “He’s back….too!!! Heehee” It’s the too that really caught my attention, as if Regina weren’t the only one who splits herself in two. It’s totally what the writers would do. Not only are there two Reginas now, but there are also going to be two Hooks. It also goes along with what Adam was hinting at when he said Hook would be striving to show Emma that he’s a hero now. It’s like last year when it seemed like season five was going to be about the Dark Swan when really, no, it became all about Hook being a second dark one. I totally see the writers not being able to help themselves; of course, they’re going to find a way to make an arc about Regina instead be all about Hook (again). *sigh*
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAdam Horowitz: “Hook is excited to progress that relationship. At the same time, he is on his path of redemption, and we are going to see Hook doing his best to be heroic this year.”
I think Hook will be so desperate to prove to Emma that “he’s a hero now” that he’ll also drink the same potion that Regina and Dr. Jekyll did, thereby splitting himself in two. So there will essentially be two characters Colin is playing: Hook vs. Killian. (The writers would so love to have not just one but two Hooks since it seems that they aren’t able to contain themselves when it comes to the pirate).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Their love resonated through the heavens and set their souls ablaze. The way they looked at each other, their smiles could have made the stars light up with joy.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
September 4, 2016 at 1:14 pm in reply to: EW 9/2 – Spoiler Room – More Snow and Charming This Season #327033Slurpeez
Participant“Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”
Let me guess. It’s something to do with The Count of Monte Cristo. I’m pretty sure that Gosh were spotted filming with the actor playing Edmond Dantès.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
August 29, 2016 at 8:36 am in reply to: TVLine 8/28 – EPs Preview Emma's Role in Helping With 'Untold Stories' #326945Slurpeez
ParticipantTo make matters worse, it gets really confusing when we have “fictional London” and “real London” — what does that even mean? Did some author use his/her imagination to make fictional London? If so, doesn’t that fly in the face of the “every story you’ve ever known is real” motto from season one? Hence, does that make Wendy Darling, who’s from “real” London somehow “more real” than say Alice or Cruella — both of whom are from fictional London? I know, my questions are pointless.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThis is yet another post in which I analyze another deleted scene: This one is between Emma and Henry when they’re talking about how Henry was sorry he was ever tempted to listen to Cruella. He was tempted to rewrite history so that Emma never killed her to save him.
Emma: I never wanted to hurt anyone, Henry, and I know you don’t either.
Henry: That’s the only reason I got the pen, the only reason I kept it secret.
Emma: We’re family. We can’t have secrets. We have to share.
Henry: I’m sorry.
Emma: I know. I know. You were just trying to help me. Henry, never compromise your soul. Never, not even for me. I couldn’t live with myself.Is Emma speaking from first-hand experience and regret? I know; that’s probably too much to ask for from these writers. Heaven forbid that Emma should actually have regret or remorse about saving Hook. But, the writers did have that scene for a reason (though they did cut it, grr). And the writers did include that scene when Merlin again warned Emma that she would stain her soul if she gave into darkness (i.e. saved Hook).
From 5×7 Nimue:
Merlin: ( Sighs ) I see two paths for our journey, Emma. On one, you resist the darkness and we succeed. On the other, you succumb to the darkness and I do not return. I die.
Emma: You die? But…
Merlin: Even immortality has exceptions. A dark one does have the power to kill me.
Emma: But they won’t even be there. Not really. ( Merlin looks down. )
Emma: Oh. It would be me. If you died, it would be me.
Merlin: If I die, it means that you lost your battle and the darkness stained your soul. Everything and everyone that you know will be at the mercy of the most powerful dark one ever… Yourself. No pressure.It sounds to me like Emma is soul sick and weary due to giving into darkness from when she tethered Hook to Excalibur. Her warning to Henry makes it seem as if Emma is regretting that decision or at the very least trying to spare Henry from a similar bad choice. She did question what she was thinking by bringing Henry and her family to the Underworld to try and get back her bad boyfriend (you know, after he tried to send her family to the UW). Emma also seemed to be having real regret and a sense of reckoning when Robin died (too bad Hook interrupted that growing sense of guilt).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantLooks like we were right. Episode 6 is going to feature Hook and be based on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantIt couldn’t be any more obvious just how wrong Hook is for Emma if the writers flashed a giant red sign. Oh wait, they already did that.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant4) Since I know DSB and Macy won’t pop around to give a theory, I’ll do it for them (and I think Slurpeez knows this one. I think she and DSB talked about it once before): when Hook restored Emma’s memories in 3B (312) the potion was laced with the Sands of Avalon, the same roofie Arthur gave Gwen, which explain Emma’s behavior S3B-present, especially when it comes to Hook.
THAT is an untold story I would very much like to see! Yes, I’ve long thought it could be a real possibility, ever since S3b when DSB proposed the memory potion was laced. After S5a aired, I added the bit about Hook adding the Sands of Avalon to it. He must’ve acquired it when he was sailing all over fairy-tale land during the missing year.
I know this theory about Emma being cursed with Sands of Avalon has always been crack-pot. As I’ve mentioned, we’ve still yet to see the story with Lancelot and Gwen resolved, which I think was left open ended on purpose and paralleled to Emma and Regina, what with the dark-one curse vortex. Emma and Hook were paralleled to Arthur and Gwen, who was bewitched to act in love with her horrible husband. We’ve also yet to see the untold story of Lancelot’s mother, the Lady of the Lake, who was last mentioned in Season 5, Episode 10 when Merlin told Lancelot to find Lancelot’s mother. Merlin also said she had great power (yet another hint since I think that was foreshadowing). We’ve yet to meet the Lady of the Lake and she’s been mentioned ever since 2×3. Season 5a would have been the perfect time to introduce her, but maybe she hasn’t been seen yet for a reason (e.g. she could also be the black fairy whom the Blue Fairy banished).
Next, I watched another deleted scene between Snow and Gwen from season 5a, and it got the wheels turning (warning crack-pot theory to follow).
From that deleted scene:
Guinevere: These are good people, really. I just imagine with all the changes…
Snow: Of course they are. I so hope you aren’t going to have to be away from home for much longer.
Gwen: I just wish I could remember what happened.
Snow: It’s unsettling, isn’t it? I’ve been through this so many times I’m amazed I know my own name. Actually, Mary Margaret is the name the curse gave me when it took my memories a way, so in a way, I guess…
Gwen: Experiences make us who we are. Just suddenly, they’re gone. It’s the cruelest stuff I can think of.
Snow: Sorry about that. If Emma did this, I’m just …
Gwen: Oh, I don’t mean to blame you. In fact, I can’t imagine how you feel, to see someone you love doing this, using you.
Snow: I’m sure Emma had a reason for taking away our memories. Maybe it was a good one, but just don’t worry. Like I’ve said, I’ve been through this before. The one thing I’ve learned from all the times I’ve been cursed is that the important things remain. They bleed through.
Gwen: Perhaps, but I’m more concerned about why this is happening. If you’re right, then your Emma had good reason to take our memories. I wonder if that’s because they were too horrible to live with because deep down inside, that’s how I feel–like something went very, very wrong.You have to watch the scene to really get a full appreciation of the acting choices, but the script is still rather telling. What if this deleted scene is more than just an indication that Gwen’s gut feelings were right? Maybe it’s foreshadowing of more to come. Gwen has a gut feeling deep down that something is amiss. Her memory was taken away by Emma, but it could also be from when Arthur cursed her with the Sands of Avalon. I tend to think the latter explanation about Gwen’s gut feeling might make more sense given that Gwen also said, ” In fact, I can’t imagine how you feel, to see someone you love doing this, using you.” Wouldn’t it be ironic if later on Gwen does wake up from the Sands of Avalon curse only to discover that it was Arthur who was using her all of that time, forcing her to play the role of his devoted and loving wife? As Rumple has said, there is irony everywhere when you can see the future. Gwen seems to be speaking prophetically if she ends up having the Sands-of-Avalon curse lifted only to discover that she was used by her horrid husband. Maybe Lancelot’s mother, the Lady of the Lake, will free Gwen of her curse.
Also, the other thing that was revealing was Snow’s rather large rationalization that Emma must have had a good reason to take away everyone’s memories, and yet even Snow seems to be speaking with doubt (that’s where watching the scene makes more sense). Gwen senses that Emma did so because something so bad must have happened in Camelot that the memories were too horrible to live with.
Snow so wants to stand by her daughter, but even she cannot help but wonder along with Gwen that maybe Emma gave into her deepest darkest impulses. Little did Snow know that the “darkest path Emma could have taken” (Merlin’s words from 5×10) was Emma’s choice to save Hook by making him into another dark one. This deleted scene was probably written before 5×7, so it’s unclear exactly what event the deleted scene between Gwen and Snow alludes to, but I found it pretty intriguing. It seems that deep down Snow doesn’t want to believe Emma would choose to embrace the darkness (which Emma did do by saving Hook, per Merlin’s words). She still doesn’t want to accept that Emma could possibly be paired with such a dark force as Hook.
That takes me back to the scene from 5×10 (which I linked to above). Snow again rationalizes that Emma chose to save Hook out of love rather than out of darkness as Merlin indicated.
David: We were so close, Mary Margaret. Emma was seconds away from destroying the darkness and ending this.
Snow: And Hook would have been dead. She chose love, David. And we would have done the same thing. We’d share one heart because we took the same kind of risk that Emma took. We save each other. That is what our family does. So have some faith in her.
David: I do. I just hope her faith in Hook is justified.Snow chastises her husband just for expressing any kind of doubt about Hook. She is totally blinded by her and David’s own experience with true love–the truest love of all. Theirs is the kind of real love that lets them literally share a heart. Snow is ever the optimist and only ever wants to see the good in people, especially Emma. After all, Snow was the one who convinced David in season four to exorcise their unborn daughter just because of the prophesy that Emma would have the heart with the darkest potential. Snow wants to believe that Emma is the perfect savior and her daughter is in love with the same kind of good, honorable man that Snow White is. (That is Snow’s biggest character flaw: she has to have the perfect family with the perfect husband and perfect children. That is why Emma relates more to Regina than to her own mother). Yet, as an honorable man himself, David has his quiet doubts and misgivings about Hook’s true character, as he expressed in 5×10 and going all the way back to 3×5 when David recognized that Hook wasn’t in NL out of a sense of nobility but just to get Emma. David has since tried to accept Hook for Emma’s sake, but he still didn’t like it when Hook had two hands (David didn’t want Hook putting the moves on Emma).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant20,00 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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