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Phee wrote: I honestly don’t feel like Neal’s gotten the shaft as much as people talk about. Yes there’s much more to tell with him, but I really don’t feel like he’s been ignored by the writers. I think they’re writing the character with a deliberate slow burn, (which I think MRJ is aware of, which is why he plays him in a more reserved manner a lot of the time, because the character and the story aren’t supposed to be big, in your face, go go go, loud and fast paced), because he’s gonna be around until show’s end, so they don’t want to resolve everything with him immediately.
I tend to agree with Phee on this one. Even though it feels frustrating sometimes like Neal keeps drawing the short stick, I tend to think it’s because the writers are eventually planning to do a 180 with him. He’s so used to being on his own, to sacrificing his own happiness for the sake of others, and he just went through a near-death experience in 2×21. He woke up in 3×1 with renewed clarity about his mission to get to Emma. In 3×3, he said Emma and Henry are the most important people in his life, that he needs them, and that they’re his second chance. I see Neal’s character as being developed with real, consistent character growth. He’s admitted his error in leaving Emma as his biggest regret and apologized to Emma. He’s made real strides towards forgiving his own father, who then scarified himself to hive his son another chance at happiness. I really think this slow build-up has been intentional. Like Phee said, the writers have held off on showing too much of Neal’s backstory or interactions with Hook, probably because when we finally get there, we’ll see that Neal (which means “champion”) will get his second chance with Emma. Neal isn’t going anywhere. Honestly, I’m not worried about it.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Phee wrote: my first thought was Colin being disillusioned over how he didn’t get to play iconic Hook vs Pan stuff, which I’m sure he’d been expecting when he knew they were headed to NL. He was also really excited pre-season to get to act with MRJ and explore their characters’ relationship.
Perhaps. Colin was an untapped talent prior to the show. He’s probably grateful for the publicity, but frustrated by the lack of real character development and interactions with Peter Pan. Once has given Colin an international platform to go on and have a successful acting career in the UK or elsewhere.
Phee wrote: All the Hook promo would make more sense if they’re building up to his death. Give him a heroic send off, like his promo poster suggest.
That is very interesting food for thought, which I hadn’t even considered before, but which makes complete sense! I remember before Cora’s “death” they did a lot of promoting of her and Rumple, since it was uncertain which character would die. (Well, we knew Rumple would survive, but the example still stands). This could be Hook’s “send-off” to launch Colin O’Donoghue on a big career.
Phee wrote: I don’t like that they’d use a character death to shut down the triangle, (it’d feel like a cop out), but as far as the wider scope of the show goes, there’s more logic to Hook dying than Neal
It may seem like a cop out now, but it really depends how it’s handled. I’ve long thought that Captain Hook might be a Sydney Carton-type of figure from Charles Dickens’ A Tale of Two Cities. Out of unrequited love for the wife of Charles Darnay, Sydney gives his life to spare Charles Darnay. Sydney’s final sacrifice is anything but a “cop out” because he dies to give the woman he loves a happy ending, even though it’s without him. Famously, Sydney’s final words are “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Our vision for the show doesn’t necessarily fall in line with their own vision. Yes it would be nice if all of the core cast survived and got their happy ending, but that very well might not be the case on the show itself. Personally, I think we’ve exhausted the speculation for this topic until we get more concrete information. I’m just going to take a breather and let things unfold.
That is a really good point. Life happens, in fiction and in reality. Death is almost always unexpected and disruptive. I may just follow your lead and stop speculating. Better to wait and see, than to be anxious or worried over something none of us can control.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Gold, to me, has been an incredibly tragic figure…. I don’t know that they want him to be happy, whether that means he’s lost Belle or Bae……I don’t know. I always thought he might die. Maybe he still will or maybe this will just be a continuation of his life’s story, which is that he’s a Shakespearean tragedy on two legs. Of course if he died, the Belle would be denied her happy ending……If she dies, she doesn’t have one. Adam tweeted it tonight and he’s right: ”Fairy Tales have danger and consequences:”. I’m not happy about this, of course, ESPECIALLY if it’s Belle or Bae, but it doesn’t surprise me…….well Bae would. Belle? Nope.
I think Rumple will get his happy ending, precisely because he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Belle and and Baelfire. He told his son he wanted to give him a second chance to be happy (though Rumple believes just not with him). Rumple did the brave thing, overcame his cowardice, and willingly sacrificed himself in a hero’s end. He is no longer a villain. If either of them were to die now, then Rumple’s ‘undoing’ would be for naught. I don’t think Rumple is permanently dead (after all, Robert Carylyle was excluded form the list of candidates). That strongly suggests that Rumple’s “undoing” isn’t his final death; it might just be the undoing of his dark one curse.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
If that wicked witch killed one of them, I hate her already..
Witch Hunt!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The general opinion seems to be that it can’t be Hook due in large part to the fact he moved his family across the world. Am I the only one who actually thinks that fact could be a reason he would want off the show? If they went home to Ireland for Christmas, and saw all their family properly for the first time since the baby was born, it may have hit home that everyone over there is missing out on seeing the kid’s start in life, and so Colin and Helen may well want to move back there for family reasons.
That thought crossed my mind, too. Colin O’Donoghue has the talent, the looks, and the star-quality to make it big. He could star in films in the UK or abroad. And now that he and his wife have a new baby, they may want to move closer to their family. I could see Colin O’Donoghue starring in films produced in the UK, or being a big-time star on a successful BBC drama like Sherlock. Or he might just want to give Hollywood a go. I think he could try his hand at a film career like Jamie Dornan, Daniel Stevens, Benedict Cumberbatch, Martin Freeman or Richard Armitage. He has that kind of attractive British/Irish/Scottish appeal that draws fans worldwide.
Colin left his band for Once and moved his family to Vancouver and purchased a home. He wouldn’t do that stuff if he was planning on leaving back to Ireland. He did all of this for OUAT.
Absolutely, and he made that sacrifice because OUAT is a great way to launch an international acting career. If you can make it big on a US primetime television network show, you could be very successful. He was always going to have to leave his band anyway, no matter what big break he got, if he seriously wanted to pursue acting. It just so happens that he his big break was in Canada. But he might’ve just seen it as a temporary stepping stone to something bigger.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In another thread, someone suggested that it’s possible that this actor knew all along he or she would be leaving. I think that’s very possible. Jamie Dornan, the actor who played the huntsman in S1, knew from the start he was only taking a job for 7 episodes, but the role really put him on the map. Now he’s starring in a big-time movie. Exactly a year ago from today, Emma called Hook “dead guy of the year” when In the Name of the Brother first aired. I wonder if Colin O’Donoghue signed a 1-year contract knowing his character’s fate in advance. He is a talented actor, and this current fame he’s experiencing could help launch a film career in the US or in England. He would do well in whatever role he pursues. Colin and his wife may want to return to the UK to be closer to family now that they have a baby of their own. Colin would now be on the map, so to speak, to star in major roles at home or abroad. He has that kind of talent, looks, and star-appeal to make it big, bigger than OUAT.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
RumplesGirl wrote: It just looks bleak. The second we got the article, I said NEAL. The fandom and media reaction to Hook is much stronger
I had the complete opposite first thought. My honest-to-goodess initial thought was Hook. From a story driven perspective, it makes sense he’d be leaving. The Neverland journey is complete, and in a very dissatisfying way.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think all of our main cast have carried their character journey well, and each of the characters have been integral to the stories we’ve had the pleasure to share.
I agree. I’ve enjoyed all of the actors who are part of the main cast.
Again, I trust the writers. I may not be happy when I see the spoiler, but I trust the integrity OUAT, and will continue to be spellbound until the story reaches it’s ultimate conclusion.
That is a very good point. The writers are here to tell a compelling story that they want to tell. I will accept whatever outcome and not cease watching. I’ve been here from the start and will be here until the end.
What if the person knew they were being killed off all along?
I think that’s very possible. Jamie Dornan, the actor who played the huntsman in S1, knew from the start he was only taking a job for 7 episodes, but the role really put him on the map. Now he’s starring in a big-time movie. I don’t mean to offend anyone, but exactly a year ago from today, Emma called Hook “dead guy of the year” when In the Name of the Brother first aired. I wonder if Colin O’Donoghue signed a 1-year contract knowing his character’s fate in advance. He is a talented actor, and this current fame he’s experiencing could help launch a film career in the US or in England. He would do well in whatever role he pursues.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I agree, have they ever confirmed that Red leaving was not planned/anticipated until AFTER Ory said it in press release ? They like to claim they’ve changed less than they have so it can sound like they’re in control of their “vision”.
Yup
Their original vision for Hook was a villain to match Rumple for only 10-12 episodes in S2. That changed
I’m not denying that things change, but that change was due to the acquisition of the rights for the full story of Peter Pan, which didn’t happen until sometime well into S2. Prior to that green-light, the writers wanted to introduce Hook as a potential love interest for Emma (that much is clear in “Tallhassee” interactions between Hook and Emma), but Adam and Eddy refrained from upgrading him to a series regular until it was certain the show was headed to Neverland. So, it was not completely left-field that the writers decided to keep Colin O’Donoghue around. They knew what they were doing, and they introduced him in the first half of S2 while hedging their bets that they’d acquire the full rights to PP.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
