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ParticipantSo the HR has a new spoiler that may or may not have far-reaching implications:
Will there be more “Captain Swan” moments in the second half of the season?
Kitsis: I certainly hope so. She’s got many suitors and I want to know if any of them have a shot.
Horowitz: The thing about Emma is she’s a tough cookie and for anyone to crack her, whether it’s Captain Hook or Neal or someone to be determined, it’s not going to be an easy road of it.It’s the “someone to be determined” which makes me wonder if there is going to be a third suitor on the horizon, and whether he is Chris Gorham’s character. So far, I believe he’s only filmed in 3×12, but he could possibly appear again in 3×16. What if he’s the boyfriend/fiancé of cursed Emma? As I’ve said, I don’t mind so much, because at least it would keep Hook away from Emma. If Emma does get a third suitor, I hope he is one she doesn’t keep long term. While I shudder at the idea of Tamara 2.0, I do wonder if Chris Gorham could really be the Wizard of Oz who has a secret (non-evil) agenda for Emma. The way he kissed Emma on the forehead in the spoiler images really reminds me of the way we’ve seen Charming and Snow White kiss Emma, making me wonder perhaps if Emma’s parents sent him to look after Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThe old, abandoned, Gale family farm?
Hmmmm! I wonder if Jennifer Morrison is filming with Chris Gorham?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantHorowitz: The thing about Emma is she’s a tough cookie and for anyone to crack her, whether it’s Captain Hook or Neal or someone to be determined, it’s not going to be an easy road of it.
This “someone to be determined” makes it sound like there is a third suitor is on the horizon. Chris Gorham’s character perhaps?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participantkfchimera wrote: Basically any situation where it’s clear that Neal still loves Emma and couldn’t or shouldn’t go, or made a sacrifice of some kind considering what he reasonably thinks Emma would want, is ok but I just hope it is not some scene that is obviously him lacking courage or conviction or you know, permanently dead. I don’t mind if he’s in a coma or under the curse. So long as his character is preserved with the growth he made, bit more confident but still having respect for others, for desiring to give Emma space, being practical about things for the good of all? That’s in character and could be reasons he didn’t go but at least we know its “good” reason.
Whatever the reason, I’m going to hope that the reason Neal isn’t at Emma’s door really is a good one, and to me, Neal being too afraid would undo all the character growth he made. In 3×3, Neal said to Mulan, “I broke her heart. I let her go so that she could break the curse, fulfill her destiny. When it was broken, I could have gone after her. I could’ve told her I loved her. But, I was afraid that she’s never forgive me, so I would up taking the easy way out, just not trying…It’s the greatest regret of my life, not one I wish upon anyone.” I think that Neal’s near-death experience in 3×1 was a real wake-up call to him and put things into perspective. Ever since, he’s been fighting to get back to Emma and to save Henry. He’ll continue to fight for Emma, just as he said he would. That is why I choose to believe Eddy Kitsis when he says there is a good reason Neal isn’t there. I think that means it’s an outside reason beyond Neal’s control that hinders his journey back to Emma.
“we promised to take care of each other”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantRumplesGirl wrote: Ok this is my current headcanon. I think they very cleverly had Hook say “family” in 3×11 for a reason. Not parents, not mother, not father…family. Neal is part of the family as Henry’s father. So I think the WWW hurt Neal when everyone was taken back to SB (I think Hook comes from SB NOT the EF)
In 3×11, Hook showed up on Emma’s doorstep and said, “Your family is in danger” which could include her parents and Neal. However in the promo for 3×12, Hook says to Emma, “Your parents are in danger.” Does that mean only Emma’s parents are in danger? Or does Hook just conveniently omit Neal from the equation, because he wants Emma’s attention to be on himself rather than on Neal?
RumplesGirl wrote: whatever curse sends everyone back to SB, I don’t think it works the same as Regina’s original one. I think they could all leave if they wanted. But Neal is in the hospital, Snow is pregnant and so Hook makes the most logical sense
I’m of the opinion that the WWW unleashes a new curse that sends everyone in the EF back to SB. Then, Hook leaves SB for Emma to bring her back to the town. I’m not so sure that just anybody could leave. I sorta wonder if Hook and Neal are able to come and go as they please, since neither ever had fake memories. However, the WWW might’ve targeted Neal, knowing him to be Emma’s true love, either because she doesn’t want Emma to be awakened by Neal’s TLK or because the WWW want to lure Emma to SB to save Neal.
RumplesGirl wrote: while I wouldn’t put it past him, I think it might be a slap in the face to any character development he’s had.
See, I question just how much character development Hook has really made. Real character growth would really be stepping back from Emma so that his son figure, Neal, could have a chance at happiness. Real growth would be Hook realizing he helped destroy Neal’s family when Hook ran off with Milha and now doing right by helping Neal and Emma reunite. Instead, in 3×10 Hook hypocritically accused Neal of leaving Emma when Hook himself has left Emma twice to die. Hook claimed he was stepping back from his pursuit of Emma for the sake of Henry, but really, it was just to see Neal fail miserably at wooing Emma. Then Hook nursed his “sacrifice”of his pursuit of Emma by making a drunken pass at another woman, and then allowing Emma to assume the worst to try and arouse her jealousy. Then, instead of really stepping back from his pursuit of Emma, he’s the one standing at her doorstep at the end of 3×11. Hook still puts his own interests first, ahead of considering the happiness of his so-called son figure. He doesn’t wish Neal happy; he wishes him to be rejected and scorned by Emma.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantSome people understand fate differently. 1) For some people, if something is fated, it means it’s bound to happen, no matter what choices an individual makes. So, if your fate is to become an Olympian, then it’ll happen, no matter what. However, this thinking is flawed in my opinion, because even if a person is born with raw athletic talent, a person must train to be a top athlete on a global scale.
2) For other people, there is a looser, broader interpretation of what it means for a person to forge his or her own destiny, in which case, nothing is absolutely set in stone. I wrote an essay about whether or not a person can change his fate with regards to Rumple that some might find interesting.
I’m of the opinion that while a person might be meant to meet certain people or to be born in a certain family, one’s personal fate still depends on a person’s beliefs and actions. Emma could have kept Henry, and things would’ve been different, as we’re seeing now with her implanted memories of a fake life. Yet, her mind would have been closed to belief in magic, since the reason for her belief was the result of Henry eating the poisoned apple turnover, which brought about his asymptomatic death. Emma’s beliefs had to be challenged for her to accept her role as the savior. If it hadn’t been for Henry being the adoptive son of the Evil Queen, then the apple turnover incident never would’ve happened, and Emma’s disbelief in magic would’ve prevented her from believing in the curse or her own power to break it. To me, it had to be the case that Emma’s son came and found her at age 10 for Emma to return and stay in SB out of concern for her kid.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantYay? Nay? Maybe?
Maybe, though I don’t want her to be the WWW! I’d much rather the woman in question be Regina. I just had a horrifying thought. What if the WWW has Robin Hood’s heart and uses him in the bedroom the way Regina did Graham?!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThere’s a new TVGuide spoiler. Sadly, there weren’t any questions about Neal (totally biased) but there was an interesting one about Hook.
Why was it Hook that came to Emma and Henry’s home in New York City?
Adam Horowitz: That is an excellent question. Why and how?
Edward Kitsis: What’s he doing back? What the hell is going on?
Horowitz: We’re answering your question with more questions. It’s not why Hook, but how Hook and when Hook? What does it mean? That’s something that we get to, again, pretty quickly.So we’re supposed to focus on the how and the when but not the why questions. Well, why? Could it be because Hook somehow beats Neal to the punch? Is there some sort of one-person only type of magical wardrobe and Hook just makes it through before Neal can?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantOk, I’m on board with the “He’s the wizard” theory now. He’ll be connected to Emma and the Wicked Witch.
I’m on board with the wizard theory, but wasn’t there an earlier spoiler which connected Chris’ character with Emma and Rapunzel?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantMaybe it’s just the weird angle and poor quality of the pic, but I’m just gonna take everyone’s word for it that that’s Regina and Robin because I don’t even really recognise them, (the guy does look kinda Sean-ish, but try as I might, I just can’t see Lana in that chick’s face). LOL
Yeah….it’s not all that obvious, but who else would it be? Of all the men on the show he looks most like Sean.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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