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ParticipantYeah. Or maybe Robbie just means now that Pan has a plan with regards to the Curse and time freezing? Actor misstep, most likely though.
It’s quite confusing. PP fails to capture Henry’s heart, so PP swaps bodies with Henry. Then somehow Rumple or Regina forces PP back into his own body, which should still be dying. So, that is why PP unleashes the dark curse again, to freeze time, in an effort to remain young. Yet, his body should still in theory give out, not because he needs to remain forever young to live, but because it’s the price of magic. Hmmmm. Confusing!
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantYou could say that. He had a strive for immortality — to remain young forever and you saw that — but now he’s achieved immortality, it’s a question of where do you go from there. You could say that that’s one of his aims.
When did he actually achieve immortality? Regina took back Henry’s heart, which means PP’s body should still be dying. Perhaps PP is only immortal so long as he inhabits Henry’s body, since obviously that is one way to possess Henry’s heart.
I can tease that there will be another body switch so you will see the Pan that everyone recognizes back in his own body. So you’ll see a lot of interesting moments from that.
This confirms that PP ends up back in his own body, which means he’s no longer immortal since he’s without the heart of the truest believer.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantPhee wrote: I reckon the body switching he’s referring to is 1) Pan and Henry both getting back in their correct bodies, and 2) Pan switching to Malcolm right before he dies. There’d be chaos and hell to pay if they made Neal and Hook switch bodies, so I dunno that they’d actually go there.
You’re probably right. I just read another interview in which Robbie Kay said:
I can tease that there will be another body switch so you will see the Pan that everyone recognizes back in his own body. So you’ll see a lot of interesting moments from that.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantUnless it’s the past and they are talking about Baelfire.
As in a fairytale land flashback to the time of “Skin Deep” or SB past before the events of “Manhattan”?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantAnother script tease! I’m guessing Belle and Rumple are talking about PP here:
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantIt seems to me that they’ve taken that theme of sacrifice and finding home with someone as a starting point for both, but they’re then exploring the theme in different ways, with two different sets of characters.
Yes, and we heard that dichotomy be expressed from that conversation Snowing had in in 3×7:
Snow White: Love means being together.
Prince Charming: I know. It also means sacrifice, protecting the person you love. How could apart of me not want you to leave this place?I see Cylice as embodying this first notion of love that Snow White expresses and Swanfire as embodying this second notion of love that Charming expresses. The two notions aren’t always mutually exclusive, since sometimes love does mean having to make sacrifices for the sake of the person you love (e.g. Charming not wanting Snow to stay on the island so that she could have a future or Neal not wanting to keep Emma from saving her parents from the dark curse). Nevertheless, I think that SF will get their chance at experiencing the other notion of love of actually being together, but it will just take some time, just as it took time for Snow and Charming to actually find each other.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantI was just reading an interview of Robbie Kay that RG posted in another thread. In the interview, Robbie said about 3×11:
“You will be seeing more body-switching,” he adds. “I don’t know how much I can say about the content of the episode. You’ll have to tune in on Sunday.”
While Robbie is most likely referring to PP and Henry swapping back to their rightful bodies, the way he said it made me wonder if there will be other body-switching going on between other characters? (E.g. Neal and Hook)? Maybe that’s too much of a crack-theory, but the possibility is still there.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
Participant“You will be seeing more body-switching,” he adds. “I don’t know how much I can say about the content of the episode. You’ll have to tune in on Sunday.”
Hmmmmm…I guess he means PP swaps back into his own body and Henry back into his own.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantHmmmm. But Cora wasn’t “good” until she met Rumple. She was proud and arrogant and deeply wished to crush those who made her feel less than what she thought she was, but she was poor and that affected her. The power just helped her accomplish her goals, but she had to rip out her heart first. Malcolm is doing all this with his heart against his child, who is nothing but a burden to him. I think if they did a death bed sob moment for PP it’s going to fall pretty flat; we haven’t seen any good in MalcolmPan. At least with Cora they did give a glimmer of “a victim of circumstance” through poverty.
But wasn’t PP the son of a negligent blacksmith father or am I remembering that incorrectly? Anyway, one of the main themes of this show is that evil isn’t born, it’s made. True, Cora was no saint when she met Rumple, but her hard life had made her ambitious and revengeful for anyone who would try and keep her down. Yet, it wasn’t until she removed her heart that she lost all ability to be redeemed, and it wasn’t until Regina put her heart back in that she felt regret. Well, PP may have become selfish due to a number of things: bad parenting, lack of discipline, being robbed of a childhood while still a child, etc… These are things we’ll probably never know for sure, but one theme holds true on this show: no one is born evil; they become that way.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantSee I don’t think Redemption is going to happen for MalcolmPan. I think we’re beyond that point. He’s not evil for the sake of evil, but he’s pretty close.
We’ll see. While PP is pretty despicable, he wasn’t always (well, we haven’t seen him be good, but he probably once was, long ago). I still think that PP will have a moment of regret on his deathbed and wish it could’ve been otherwise.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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