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I was thinking about this before I went to bed last night but it was trickery of a sort. He is saying, Emma you have a choice. But he is also saying this choice already has a forgone conclusion, ie: you’ll give me your heart. Is it really a choice if you’ve told the person to whom you are giving it what the endgame will be? Then they don’t really have a choice. It was very NL mind game trickery
That is a very good point. Love is a gift freely given, not a demand met or an expectation fulfilled. I scoff at the idea that CS is all about choice. It’s not! Hook coerced his first kiss out of Emma. True, she was free to back down, but I think Emma went in for that kiss in a way to shut up Hook’s bravado, but of course, it only enhanced his pursuit. Hook used emotional blackmail to get what he wanted. To me that just reeked of manipulation.
I think Emma was affected by it more than the Emma we used to know would be. I’m blaming NL and the all the thousands of stresses.
Exactly, it feels like Hook is taking advantage of Emma’s emotional turbulence: their first kiss came under the worst kind of expectations from Hook, when she’d already lost her son, Neal and then almost her father. It really turns me off that Hook expected any sort of “show of gratitude” for doing a “selfless” thing of saving Charming’s life. Emma’s words of thanks ought to have been enough. It just feels like Hook, who knows all about NL as PP’s former employee, is playing games with Emma’s head in order to work his way under her otherwise tough skin. He’s trying to make inroads into her heart, but not in a straightforward, truly gentlemanly fashion.
What gives me hope that CS is not going to last is the writers could have made Emma wait until she got back to SB, when the mission to Henry has been accomplished, for her to give into Hook’s pursuit. Yet, the writers intentionally chose for Emma and Hook’s first kiss to be in NL, the heart of darkness, where Emma is at her weakest we’ve ever seen her. The fact that NL makes Emma feel like an orphan, the fact that she’s emotionally stressed while Henry’s life is hanging in the balance, the fact that Emma was reeling over the “death” of Neal, all made her vulnerable to Hook’s incessant attempts to get her to notice him. Again with his obsessive personality. The man really can’t take no for an answer and keeps trying to wear the girl down when she’s trying to save her kid’s life. Hook is really only joining in on the mission, not because gives an iota about Henry, but because he wants Emma to like him. It’s the same reason that Hook told Emma’s parents about Neal, to get Emma to see him as not using “trickery;” yet the whole thing is a trick to get Emma to like him. It’s all about Hook still.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Another SF vid coming at you:
Neal & Emma [3×03] – Shouldn’t be a good in goodby
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
At the moment I’m into the idea of him having an obsessive personality, and that’s what they’re trying to show. Sailor Killian was tossing bottles of rum away, but you’d better believe that he got blind drunk that night after his pirate speech, and he never looked back, replacing his obsessive good form with obsessive bad form, but trying to convince himself that his new behaviour was just a redefinition of good form. And he’s been convincing himself of it ever since, and boyfriend has an ego now, so admitting that his attitude is wrong wouldn’t be an easy thing for him to do.
I totally see that now that you’ve pointed it out. This is the guy who couldn’t let go of the memory of Milha for 250 years and was consumed by revenge every waking moment. Can you imagine having that mental life? No wonder he was semi-suicidal in S2 jumping in front of a moving car and taunting Rumple to kills him. Hook basically wanted to be put out of his misery because his own obsession with loss and revenge consumed him. Now it’s like that need for revenge has been supplanted by a need to win the girl. That type of man doesn’t need a new girlfriend right now though. He needs to see a shrink, just as surly as Regina did/does. At least Rumple had imaginary Belle to talk to. Oh wait, never mind, that was Pan’s shadow….
Anyway, back to Hook and NL, he just strikes me as being a very unhealthy, toxic sort of personality. I know he’s “supposed” to be an anti-hero, so he’s permitted to have character flaws. Everyone on this show does to varying degrees. Yet, the reason I am not rooting for Hook to be Emma’s love is because I don’t even think Hook loves himself. Even though he only thinks mostly of himself, I think he is sad at the man he’s become. I still hope that deep down, Hook does not want to be just a pirate. What he wants really is to be a man of honor. Yet, he’s fooling himself if he tells himself it’s good form to vie for the woman whom your good friend and son-figure, Neal, loves. It’s just such a contrast to Snow White, who ate a poisoned apple so no more of her loved ones would die, or Ariel, who turned down Regina’s deal to keep her legs in order to save her friend, Snow. Alice used up one of her wishes, thereby risking her future with Cyrus, for the sake of her friend, Will. All three of those women have what I call good form for putting their friends even ahead of their own desires.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Back to the positive SF vibes! I saw a couple of Snowing/Swanfire parallels from 3×7 on Tumblr which I’ll share here.
Usually, I see mostly parallels between Snow and Neal, but lately I’m seeing a lot of similarities between Neal and Prince Charming! Both Prince Charming and Neal needed to believe in the power of love, and both struggled with fear getting in the way of their ability to see it. With Neal, it was fear of rejection. With David, it was fear of sentencing his wife to eternity in NL. Seems like not even Prince Charming himself is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, and yet, both Charming and Neal have good hearts.
GIF source: Tumblr
Again with the Neal/Charming parallels! Charming didn’t want to condemn Snow to a life with him if it meant being a prisoner on an inhospitable island. Charming would have preferred Snow to have returned home to SB with Emma, and perhaps even had a baby with someone else, rather than have to remain PP’s prisoner! That is a HUGE sacrifice that Charming was willing to make (albeit inconsiderate to Snow’s feelings). Likewise, Neal didn’t want to keep Emma from fulfilling her destiny and saving her parents from a dark curse. While this was very painful for Emma emotionally, this sacrifice enabled her to save her parents. Neal was a victim too in that he sacrificed his own desire for a family and a lifetime spent with Emma, the woman he loves, for the sake of getting her home. Both Charming and Neal were willing to let go of the women they loved for the sake of getting their women home. *crying*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That line from QoH…*sigh* I love A and E but that line should have been tested to some fans or something to gauge reaction. Hook has her on her back, by force, and is talking about his penis. I’m not a prude and I enjoy a good smoulder or smut but…she’s literally battling to get away. It came across as…well rape, to be perfectly honest. There are some lines you don’t cross and that’s one. And from Emma’s POV that only happened maybe 2 months ago.
Yes, and that is what saddened me most and made me no longer see Hook as a real contender for Emma. Have I mentioned before I used to *gasp* like the idea of CS, but only for like two episodes? 2×9 was a turning point for me, and meeting Neal again in “Manhattan” is what converted me to SF forever more!
Honestly, it seems pretty blatant to me that they’re writing Hook as the bad guy in this situation. It feels like they’re writing him in a pretty extremely negative way when it comes to his treatment of Emma. And I have to think that the reason they’re doing that is that they’re writing a crash and burn for CS, so they’ll eventually be able to move on with developing SF without the possibility of CS still lingering in the background to distract from the story they really want to tell. So while the current situation hurts and sucks, I’m holding out hope that there’s a method to the madness. If you think of Kitswitz as people, do you think they’d be like Hook in their treatment of women? I’d like to think not. I’d like to think that they respect the women they’re in relationships with, and for that reason, I can’t imagine them compromising their morals, no matter what ABC publicity might want, to have their heroine end up with a guy who acts like Hook. They wrote SF as being “poetic”, that’s Adam’s own word he used. They see the beauty in SF’s story, and I believe that after all the pain, separation and angst, SF are gonna get a beautiful, happy ending.
I agree 100% with what you wrote. Hook is *supposed* to be a pirate after all! It’s funny how much I was trying to give Hook the benefit of the doubt, to like him, and yet all I see now is his trickery! To quote Charming, Hook “isn’t here out of any sense of nobility!” As usual, he’s in it for himself, because he fancies Emma and wants to win! It’s about Hook, himself and Killian’s wishes, wants and desires. I can’t believe how much Hook dashed my expectations of him….I’d spent all of S3 actually liking him, hoping for him to respect Neal, his so-called son figure, but that was just undone in a mere 40 minutes of screen time. But hey, I think this is actually to the advantage of SF in the long run, so actually, I should be *glad* that Hook just blew it, right?
I’m still hopeful that Adam and Eddy would not make a man who condones innuendo bordering on sexual harassment and leaving her for dead to be Emma’s endgame! That would be the ultimate UN-happy ending in my opinion for Emma, since she’d have to lie in the bed she makes. Also, it would be tragic to see Neal go through the ringer AGAIN. I refuse to believe that Adam and Eddy would continue to make Neal a victim for the rest of his life. It’d be tragic to see Hook get the girl in that case, because I would see it as an example of the bad boy getting the girl and the good guy finishing last again. To me, that’s the opposite of a happy ending or a show about hope.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I saw this post on Tumblr which sums up why I’m not overly concerned about Emma and Hook:
Emma To Neal:
Season 2: I need you. I love you.
Season 3: I never stopped loving you. I love you and I probably always will.Emma ABOUT Hook:
Was just a kissShall we look again at what Emma said to Hook?
Hook: I assumed you told him of our shared moment.
Emma: Why would you assume that?
Hook: I was hoping it meant something.
Emma: What meant something was that you told us Neal was still alive. Thank you. I realize you could’ve kept Pan’s information to yourself.Reading between the lines, Emma isn’t acknowledging the kiss meant anything to her, she’s acknowledging that Hook telling her about Neal is what counts. Hmmmmm. Say again? Hook is trying to bate Emma into admit feelings for him and instead she thanks him for his honesty about Neal. Yep, the last thing a man wants to hear when trying to woo the woman of his affections is about another man. Emma’s thoughts were not on Hook or that kiss. Her thoughts were on Neal and Henry even when Hook cornered her into trying to force a decision from her. It’s going to take a lot more than emotional-blackmailed tribute kisses, Hook, for Emma to trust you have honorable intentions for her and her son.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I realized why that scene in 3×7 between Hook and Emma bothered me so much. Normally, when a man says he wants to win a woman’s heart, it ought to come across as romantic. And yet with Hook, it just came across as sleezy! Remember this little threat he made to Emma in “The Queen of Hearts” 2×9. There is a parallel: Hook says WHEN he does X, Emma WILL do X. Just no! Emma won’t do anything you tell her to, Hook!
I know the S2 Hook was vengeful and suddenly now he’s supposed to be a hero, but I just feel repulsed. When Hook said that Emma would feel his sword I wanted to hurl him off a cliff! The way he spoke to her wasn’t just demeaning, it was downright shameful! And suddenly, I’m supposed to believe Hook is above using trickery? Nope, not buying any of it, Hook! He may have real feelings for Emma, but he’s not so reformed, and he’s not acting like a man of honor. He’s shown NO remorse about helping ruin Bae’s life, and now he’s trying to do it again. Nope, just nope! Okay, rant done. Sorry, I just had to get that ickiness out of my system, and I know I can do so here with out fear of starting WWIII.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I know I keep saying it so forgive the repeat, but the whitewashing thing is getting out of hand. There is a long list of things Hook has done against the CharMillStiltskin clan and their friends. He needs to be held accountable.
Could someone with twitter tactfully point that out to Adam Horowitz? For example, does Emma hold Hook accountable for leaving her in a jail cell in EF the same way she holds Neal accountable for letting her go to prison? I really want Adam to respond to the glaring double-standards going on.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Can I just say that Neal has had the right priorities all along? His goal is to save Henry, not to talk to Hook about who kissed whom. Hook was the one egging on Neal. I think Emma already is starting recognize this and she will put the most weight on the man who really values her son, Henry.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
