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ParticipantJust thought I’d share:
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantAlso, can we talk about how Emma literally whitewashed Hook with her savior white magic?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI miss Neal Cassidy (and the show I was so fervently devoted to) a little more everyday.
Me too.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant@nevermore: That is a really thought-provoking article. It raises many excellent questions and makes many interesting points, though it makes my head spin a bit.
I don’t know if the writers are really aware of any meta-messages they are sending, and if they are, I don’t think they give flying squirrel dung about it.
I also go back and forth on this. Part of me wonders how the writers (who actually study how to write screenplays) could be unaware of their story’s own meta-messages. The other part of me, however, realizes their job isn’t just about telling a story but also about cents and dollars. At the end of the day, they’re in show business, and like every business, what matters is profit. For some reason, they’ve bought into the notion that the audience tunes in for Hook (which, if the decline in ratings is any judge, just isn’t true). ABC probably looked at the Twilight phenomenon and thought they could cash in on it.
I think this last episode was an especially bad one, in terms of the implicit message: ultimately, Hook’s original impulse to repent, and the sense that maybe he should undertake some kind of penance for what he’s done is entirely annulled through Emma’s blind, slavish adoration. By the end of the episode Hook feels entitled to absolution, not just potentially deserving of it. As in, it’s his birthright for being Emma’s love interest. I think if you’re watching it with younger viewers, you can still make this into a point of discussion, but that takes effort and critical thought — which, lets face it, not everyone has time or energy for.
It started out well enough (Liam calling out Emma for being incredibly selfish, Hook acknowledging that what he did was terrible and that maybe he should just move on, Regina telling Emma she was too good for Hook), but it went down hill, fast. Why did Liam go to heaven, despite mass murdering his entire crew–because he did an about face to save his brother? I don’t think that’s a sound reason not to have to pay for one’s crimes. And Hook forgave himself just because his mass-murdering brother died for him? And since when is Hook’s “unfinished business” defeating Hades? I’m just honestly so confused.
Anyway, on the other hand, we also know on this show — at least, reading between the lines — that even if you end up with your romantic interest, it doesn’t mean “happily ever after,” or that the relationship is healthy or that it will last. Rumbelle being the prime example. Or what looks like what is going to happen to OQ at the end of this arc.
True. Emma will likely end up with him, but she’s going to have to make the bed she lies in. *twitch*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAnyone else predicting an engagement?
Yes. It seems like Emma is clutching something small like a ring in the palm of her hand. By the way they’re kissing, it looks like she accepted Hook’s proposal. An engagmentment does not mean a wedding will occur in season 5. The wedding would come in season 6.
That does not look like clutching. More like her fingers were on the side of his neck. Besides, we shouldn’t jump to a conclusion about any engagement. In the Episodes The Broken Kingdom and Nimue, some people like you believe there will be a wedding happening and an engagement ring (when Hook gave Emma a ring). But none of it was true. There was no wedding. And that Ring was Liam’s, and it was only for luck and to keep Emma as a survivor. There was no talk about what he gave her in this picture. So clearly it might not be any engagement. Be forewarned. If it is not what you think, try not to be sadly disappointed. And don’t get your hopes up.
What exactly do you mean by “people like you”? I’m not even a fan of Hook, and believe me, I don’t have my “hopes up” or anything close to it. I think Emma is way too good for him, and I wish Emma would dump him. I’m probably one of the last people to like the idea of Emma and Hook getting engaged, but the writing is on the wall. Emma has been wearing Hook’s ring since early this season, which is like Checkov’s gun waiting to go off. There have been major hints that this has been coming. For example, back when Hook gave Emma the ring, he said he wasn’t proposing, with the implication being he would eventually propose. The time has arrived, because Hook is miraculously back from the dead and Emma has “given into love” with the pirate.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantWhat irks me the most about this story now is that its moral seems to be “murder isn’t ideal, but as long as you’re sorry enough, you get to go to heaven/get married/have a baby (fill in the blank).” I could deal with terrible, amoral message that if this were a show for adults, but many children and teenagers watch this show with their families. Don’t these writers understand that children internalize narratives as a way to understand and cope with the confusing adult world? I read an article that gets at the heart of it. “For children learning to express and regulate their emotions, Disney films often become their models,” said a professor of film studies.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAnyone else predicting an engagement?
Yes. It seems like Emma is clutching something small like a ring in the palm of her hand. By the way they’re kissing, it looks like she accepted Hook’s proposal. An engagmentment does not mean a wedding will occur in season 5. The wedding would come in season 6.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantYeah, I’ve been bracing myself for it. Checkov’s ring around Emma’s neck has been waiting to go off. When Hook gave her the ring, he reassured her he wasn’t proposing (with the implication he would later down the line). Emma calling Nimue Merlin’s “true love” (despite how toxic the relationship became, resulting in Merlin’s murder) was another clue. I think it’s almost certainly a CS engagement for the S5 finale. Those BTS photos certainly look like a proposal (Emma could be clutching Hook’s ring in the palm of her hand).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAdam Horowitz admitted a continuity error surronding a line Regina said when talking about ripping out her own story (something Henry, not Regina, actually did in S1):
@outlawgreys yes. That was a mistake. Hangs head in shame.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 28, 2016
So, just goes to show important details often slip by.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantDespite all of these obvious acts and symbols of betrayal going on with CS, I’m still bracing for a CS TLK and proposal at the end of S5. That is how this show is now; it’s all about villains getting their happy endings. Plus, there is an obvious parallel between Nimue betraying Merlin and Hook and Emma betraying each other. Then there’s the heavy-handed foreshadowing:
From 5×11:
David: What about Merlin’s message? He said this “Nimue” is the key to stopping the Dark One.
Emma: Nimue was Merlin’s true love.The fact that Emma called Nimue Merlin’s “true love” (after Nimue’s spirit convinced Hook to murder Merlin to cast the dark curse) just goes to show how warped this show’s (and by extension Emma’s) definition of true love has become. Emma and Hook’s names being inscribed on Excalibur gets romanticized, despite it obviously being a symbol of their mutual betrayal and hurt of one another. The ring that Liam gave Hook is a symbol of a pact made with Hades to mass murder his entire crew, yet that ring is now a symbol of CS and might be used as an eventual engagement ring by the end of the season. How romantic is that? *twitch*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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