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I’m not sure I like the whole “Tiana is out looking for love” angle.

Part of me wonders still if Tiana, rather than Drizilla, is Alice’s love interest.

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I just think it would be such a richer story for Alice to be Rumple and Belle’s daughter, trying to wake her father up and find a way to help him break his Dark One’s Curse. It would be such a full circle for Rumple.

It would have made more sense, to be sure. Yet, I haven’t given up the notion that Alice could still somehow be something of a daughter to Rumple if he adopted her. Isn’t she an orphan? He might not be her bio dad but he might have gone out on a limb and taken Alice under his wing. He could have been especially lonely after sadly losing Belle and decided they were something like kindred spirits, two lonely people in need of family. Weaver really seems to have a strong paternal attachment to Tilly, more than Rumple ever really had with Henry, his own grandson. Rogers points out how much Weaver seems to care about the young woman.

The thing about his daughter having been locked up, but he could still visit her, and then the rook (tower) piece…that stuff just doesn’t jive with Alice’s typical story, but it does fit with another well known fairytale. So maybe I’ll end up being wrong, but for now, as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out.

Rogers and Tilly playing chess could be a red herring since it’s so obvious; however, there is a big chess motif in Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll. Alice meets several life-size chess pieces during her adventures. I think it the chess board could point towards Wish Hook and Alice being father and daughter, but I think that Rumple has strong fatherly feelings towards her too. What if Alice is the one who brings these two together and helps end their old feud? If it is true that Wish Hook is the bio dad and that Rumple is like the adopted dad, then that would go a long way to making these men a lot like Emma and Regina, who used to be enemies but became became Henry’s co-moms and best friends. Tilly could be a like re-do for Baelfire, who could have brought Hook and Rumple together as father figures in his life.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Will she and Henry strike up a cursed!relationship?

*twitch* Please, no! Ivy is Henry’s sister-in-law. That would just cross too many lines.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I’m just gonna say that this was the best ep the show has had in years. It wasn’t perfect, there’s stuff I can nitpick, but my major takeaway from this ep is that it was actually about the characters. It actually made me feel something because I believed what the characters were feeling. And that’s a feeling I haven’t had after an ep of this show in a good long while.

I second this notion. I haven’t really enjoyed an episode of OUAT in a long time, but Bobby and Emilie totally nailed it. The range of emotions between these two talented actors and the way Belle and Rumple faced the end brought tears to my eyes. If I squinted really hard and tried not to think too much about the past four seasons, then I could almost say it was wonderful. If we could go from the Rumbelle wedding and just forget everything that happened between them afterwards like the lies, the cheating, and the addiction to darkness, then I’d say it is my favorite Rumbelle episode since Skin Deep (the only I really liked). Nevertheless, it’d hard to not question why TLK never seemed to work for Rumbelle. Why didn’t it work? I’d always assumed that the reason TLK didn’t work was because Rumple’s true love was his dagger, but once he let go of it, his true love should have been Belle. So, it makes no sense why their kiss wouldn’t just free him of the dark one curse.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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“Henry’s just the first person, and I would say probably the first man, who is gentle with her, asks some difficult questions, and takes a genuine interest in her feelings, in her life and what her experience is for her.”

I did find it interesting that she says specifically said that Henry is the first man to ever show her any kindness. It makes you dread what her previous interactions with men have been like. What kind of father did she have? What about her step-father (aka Cinderella’s bio dad)?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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We’re supposed to find out who the LGBT character is in 704–this makes me think that Drizella is one half of the equation.

Could also be Alice.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Lana talks about swanqueen and is still able to talk about the relationship with Regina and Robin as well. There are ways to be honest and still be diplomatic. I think that Robert is diplomatic even though he says that killing Neal was a mistake. He isn’t calling the show trash or anything because there are other things he likes about the show like Rumpel and Belle though he also finds that problematic. I just think that the way Jennifer says nothing and tries to push it off on the show does her no favors.

Yes, but Lana and Bobby seem more secure to speak their minds and less concerned about how people react perhaps because they are very talented actors in their own right, and they also have supportive and cool fans for the most part. Jen might be on tip toes about what she says because of who is in her fanbase. We have to keep in mind how toxic some CS fans can be. There are a lot of BAs in that group. Jen is probably scared that they’d turn on her and send her death threats on Twitter if she said anything too positive about Emma’s relationship with Neal or even Regina. That could be why Jen uses coded language to describe SF and says how “special” Neal was to Emma. Of course, we all know he was special because he was Emma’s true love, something CS fans hate to admit and have spent a lot of energy trying to disprove. Just look at how annoying and immature some CS fans have been on Twitter about Jennifer’s professional choice to leave the show. Some CS fans even think she somehow owes it them personally to continue to play Emma Swan so CS can continue.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Considering what both Adelaide and Gabrielle said in that EW article, I could believe that Drizella’s responsible in some way for her death. Adelaide does imply that at the time of that interview she didn’t actually know all the specifics, but both actresses seemed to be on the same wavelength of Anastasia having been the favoured daughter in a major way.

I think the theory that Drizilla is somehow responsible for her sister’s death is probably right. Lady Tremaine misplacing the blame for Anastasia’s death onto Cinderella would parallel Regina misplacing the blame for Daniel’s death onto Snow White. The real culprit for Daniel’s death was Cora, so it would make a ton of sense if the real culprit for Anastasia’s death were someone else like Drizilla, who might have always been jealous of her sister.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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The vibe I got from that exchange was that in the recent past she’d recruited him to do something piratey for her, like stealing something for her, and instead of giving it to her, he made off with the goods himself. Or something like that. That’s the kind of level of familiarity I got from them. I didn’t get a we’ve-engaged-in-coitus-and-made-a-baby type of vibe between them. But maybe that’s just me, or maybe the actors themselves didn’t even know all the details to they played the scene strangely?

I’d forgotten that they knew each other, so I rewatched that scene. It does seem like Lady Tremaine knows Wish Hook a little, but you’d think that if they’d made a baby together that Lady T. would’ve had more of a reaction to him, especially if he left her expecting a child.

What if, instead of being Hook’s baby mama, Lady Tremaine is Hook’s baby (aka Rapunzel)? He is certainly old enough to be her father. Lady Tremaine might not remember her father if she were really young the last time they saw each other, and Wish Hook might not recognize her because she is all grown up. We saw their encounter in 7×2 — the same episode we learned that Wish Hook had a daughter.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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With few exceptions like Bobby Carlyle, actors who want to get hired again have to be seen as diplomatic, so I can understand why Jen doesn’t want to burn bridges. It’s probably just not worth making more of a fuss than she does just by being in the public light. In a sense,  she’s right that she can only work with what is put in front of her, (i.e. the script). I can only surmise, but she must have been just as confused by the choice to kill off Neal, Henry’s dad and Emma’s true love, on a show all about the power of true love and family. In a way, MRJ was right that it was a “bold” writing decision in that they totally changed the show in S3b from what it had been.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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