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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Slurpeez, you’re my favorite person of the day.

OMG. Where do I start?

1)Lacey “You really are as dark as they say you are.” And she’s turned ON by it.

Maybe. I think she’s surprised by it, but I’m not sure about turned on. I maybe just don’t get it.

2)Those FTL flashbacks with Regina are form 220, we think?

Yeah, I think they’re from The Evil Queen episode.

3) Rumple is beating up Keith with the cane-o-pain?

We all totally called that cane would make a come-back.

4) Hook and Tamara. Oh man. Oh man. Does that mean he is going to turn against Emma and Co once they are on his ship?

I think Hook is very good a playing different sides. He may start out siding with Tamara, who says she can kill magical creatures, which would play into his revenge about killing Rumple. Yet, when Hook sees Tamara targeting Emma, who also has magic, I believe Hook will actually help save the day and provide the residents of SB safe-haven on his ship.

5)Charming kissed Emma on the head. I die.

Me too! The last time Charming kissed Emma was when he sent her through the wardrobe as a baby.

6) Is that Regina screaming at the end??

Yes, I think Regina is being experimented on by scientists Tamara and Greg Mendel. ❗

ETA: Did anyone else notice Emma dressed for what looks like a funeral? Whose could it be? Maybe it’s Granny’s. 😥

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Thanks so much! Here’s a poor version of the US promo until a better one is found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UXTE8YZNDiE

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Cora: Look at you with your whole life ahead of you. And it’s going to be better than you can imagine. The King’s not a strong man. The kingdom will be yours. Raise the tributes, form a personal guard, let everyone know where the new power lies, and you’ll hold the hearts of your people in your hands.

Regina: Is that what you would do, Mother?

Cora: That’s exactly what I would do.

Regina: Well, the thing is, I don’t want to be you.

Thanks for posting the scene. I still interpret that scene as Regina has just literally married Leopold and she and Cora are in her room on a break between the wedding ceremony and the reception. Cora never says “once you and the king are married” but it’s more a “now you’ve married the king”. Cora is being very friendly towards Regina in this scene and I think that is because Regina has just done what Cora wanted her to by marrying the king. Cora’s like “now you’ve married the king, this is what you need to do”

But, I think Regina would have been with King Leopold if she were just married, not alone with her mother. Cora certainly wouldn’t want to be in her daughter’s bedroom on Regina’s wedding night, since she’d want that marriage sealed through consummation. I really think the best way to interpret the scene is that it takes place before the actual ceremony since Regina is preparing herself for the wedding and Cora is giving her daughter last-minute advice before Regina becomes queen. Hence the “the kingdom will be yours” and not “the kingdom is now yours.”

In King Leopold’s castle, Regina is dressed in a beautiful, shimmering wedding gown. It is almost time for the wedding. Staring off at the balcony, Regina is pulled back into reality by her mother, who asks, “What’s this?” http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/We_Are_Both

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Regina probably will eventually be redeemed, but for Regina to find true happiness, she’ll need to give up dark magic. I believe that is the lesson she needs to keep with her: power doesn’t make a person happy, love does.That is how to win Henry’s heart, not through magic. Regina said in 2×2 that you can’t make a person love you:

Regina: I shouldn’t have brought you here. I was… I don’t know how to love very well. I wasn’t capable of it for a very long time, but I know I remember… If you hold onto someone too hard, that doesn’t make them love you. I’m sorry I lied to you. And that I made you feel like I didn’t know who you are. But I want you to be here, because you want to be here. Not because I forced you, and not because of magic.

Regina seemed to forget her own words in 2×17 with the Curse of the Broken Hearted which would’ve forced Henry to think he loves her. At least Henry talked her out of using that curse, but the reason he is wary of Regina is because of her unpredictable
nature. She’s stil struggling to resist dark magic.

WickedRegal wrote: the ONLY reason Emma, Charming, Snow, and Storybrooke aren’t dead, is because of little Henry, and the same could be said vice versa when Regina didn’t have her magic. But I guarantee, if there was no Henry, Regina would have been killed Snow and Charming, and there are other ways to kill The Saviour than ripping out hearts, and Regina has shown that.

I think you just demonstrated how evil Regina can be, since I agree she would murder the Charmings if it weren’t for Henry. Despite having been manipulated his entire life, he still tries to help Regina choose the right path. He is the one person who is keeping the tiny bit of goodness alive in her. Without Henry, Regina would be totally uncontrollable. It’s like the parental roles have been reversed.

Plus, Snow is not innocent, she tricked Regina into killing her mother, out of all the hearts in Regina’s vault, she used Cora’s to kill Rumple, Cora could have been a real mother for Regina, but Snow took that. Sounds like to me that’s saying “If i can’t have my mother, you can’t have yours.”

I never claimed Snow was innocent. Yet, let’s keep in mind Snow was acting in self-defense and in defense of her family because Cora wanted to murder all of them and become the next Dark One. Cora would have been truely unstoppable.

And yes, Regina did kill Leopold, and I will repeat this for Gypsy and Slurpez, it was to break Cora’s curse. Regina was trapped in the castle by the Tree spell, she couldn’t go anywhere for like 12 years, stuck in that castle in a loveless marriage, being a mother to a girl who betrayed your trust. So she had to do what she had to do, in the words of your dear and “always good, does no wrong” Rumple: “Desperate times, calls for desperate measures.”

Cora’s barrier spell was no longer in effect after Regina pushed her mother through the mirror into Wonderland. Regina was then free not to marry the king and to leave once and for all. The only reason she chose to stay is because she had a taste of magic and decided power was actually what she wanted after all.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

When David Nolan was implanted with false memories, it was through a windmill in Gold’s shop; whereas, had David chosen to take a closer at the unicorn mobile, he probably would have gained his true identity as Prince Charming. Likewise, if Belle had held her chipped cup, her true talesman, she likely would have recovered her identity again. Now that Regina has her magic back, I think she will present Belle with a fake talesman, which will give her a false, cursed identity of Lacey. I predict one way that Mr. Gold could help to help restore Belle’s true identity is by mending the chipped cup with magic.

I need Chip to be healed. I need your theory to come true. I love it.

Thanks! I read this spoiler a while back, but it gives me hope my theory might come true. 🙂 Crosses fingers!

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I just re-watched that scene to make sure. It may have been Regina’s wedding day, Regina and Cora were dressed, but Regina pushed her mother though the mirror before the actual wedding had taken place. Cora was speaking in the future-tense, that Regina would be queen, not that she already was. After Regina pushed Cora through the mirror, she tried to flee before the wedding, but she decided to stay and learn magic from Rumple.

Cora: Look at you with your whole life ahead of you. And it’s going to be better than you can imagine. The King’s not a strong man. The kingdom will be yours. Raise the tributes, form a personal guard, let everyone know where the new power lies, and you’ll hold the hearts of your people in your hands.

Regina: Is that what you would do, Mother?

Cora: That’s exactly what I would do.

Regina: Well, the thing is, I don’t want to be you.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Regina may have married Leopold before she pushed her mother through the mirror.

If you re-watch 2×2, you’ll see that the day Regina pushed Cora through the looking glass was the day before Regina’s wedding. No one forced Regina to go ahead and marry Leopold in a loveless union. Rumple may have wetted her appetite for magic, but it was Regina’s choice to seek out his instruction. That was her own decision to choose power and magic over freedom and a chance not to make her mother’s mistakes. She might have found happiness with her father, and just maybe, found love with another man and had a family in the EF.

Regina has done many evil things, there’s no denying that, but she was genuinely trying to change for the better until Cora set her up. Before Archie turned up alive and well, Emma fully believed Regina had killed him. Emma basically banned Regina from ever seeing Henry and told her that she’d always be the evil queen no matter what. By the time Emma realised her mistake, the damage had been done. Cora preyed on Regina whilst she was down and offered Regina the one thing she wanted most- Henry Regina is going to struggle with redemption, she was having it too easy at the start of the season, the question is, when does Regina cross the point of no return, what can she do that is irredeemable?.

I was really hopeful at the start of season 2 for Regina to redeem herself and was fully supportive of her effort at real change. Yet, it was obvious it wouldn’t last since she was doing it for Henry’s sake, not out of her own true repentance. I actually have come to like Regina. I even argued back before the winter hiatus that the Charmings needed to include Regina in Henry’s life, because I knew Cora’s return would put Regina’s revolve at redemption to the test and even derail any real reform. For sure, Cora manipulated events to make her daughter more “receptive” –what Regina even recognized was a lie and manipulation. Regina always craved her mother’s love, but since Cora didn’t have a heart, she couldn’t truly love her daughter until it was put back into her. Cora preyed on her daughter’s weakness, and though Regina knew in her head that her mother wasn’t to be trusted, her heart got the better of her. Again, Regina is dangerous because she does have a heart. It’s her blind emotion that prompts her to be ultimately destructive. But that doesn’t excuse Regina from being responsible for her evil deeds

Even as a grown woman and a magical queen, Regina turned back into a little child who would be used and abused by her own mother. That was the effect that Cora had on Regina, and so I actually think Regina is better off now that Cora is dead and gone. Regina might just have a shot at true redemption this time if she can learn what her actions really do to people. She hurts the people she loves, including her father and her son. She needs a huge wake-up call before the damage is done irreparably (which you think would’ve been in 1×22 when Regina poisoned Henry). I’d say Henry actually has a lot of patience with Regina, considering how many times she has threatened the people he loves and even him. (Same goes for Rumple by the way; I’m not just picking on Regina. He needs to choose the path of good and to put love ahead of power, too).

@Gypsy wrote:

I think when Regina killed her own father – the only person who seemed to love her unconditionally – is when she crossed the ‘point of no return’.
You can’t come back from that.

Maybe in real life, but this is a show about hope, and so I think the writers do ultimately have a path of redemption for Regina. It’s just going to be a long a bumpy ride (makes for better entertainment).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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If Henry is manipulative (and he certainly can be), then he must have learned it from Regina. She lies, cheats, manipulates, rapes, murders, steals, and then cries about how no one loves her. While I believe Henry does love Regina, he is afraid of her, of what she might do to his family and to him. Remember he was terrified that Regina would kill Snow White and use her heart to cast the Curse of the Broken Hearted on him. Is it any wonder then that Henry prefers to live with the Charmings? He doesn’t want to be manipulated any longer by the woman who lied to him his entire life. He craves honesty after a lifetime of deceit. At least Emma apologized for lying to Henry about his dad. So far, Regina hasn’t shown any true repentance for her evil deeds. While Regina was certainly a victim of abuse from Cora and even Rumple, she has in turn become an abuser. She gas-lighted Henry for his entire life and inadvertently almost killed him in her attempt to be rid of Emma.

Regina drives away people because she in fact has freely chosen the path of evil. Regina drove away Hansel, Gretle, Graham, and Owen, not just Henry. Henry craves truth, to be free and not to be manipulated, just like Regina wished to be free from her own mother’s tyranny. Yet, Regina has become just like Cora. Regina has emotionally abused Henry and repeatedly attempted to murder his family. As Rumple said, Cora was dangerous because she had no heart, but Regina is dangerous because she does.

No one gets to choose what circumstances they’re born into, but everyone gets to chose what kind of a person she wants to be. After Regina banished her mother to Wonderland, she had the the chance to leave and be free, but she still chose to marry King Leopold. She could have lived a new life with her father when he tried to say they could start over and love each other, but she stabbed him in the back to enact a curse that would only leave a giant hole in her heart. Rumple may have tempted Regina with magic, but she didn’t have to embrace it become like her mother. Regina killed the one person she loved most just so she could have power. Regina has a free-will, but she herself says she never learns from her mistakes. She might have had a second chance with Henry after she spared Snow White and Emma in 2×9, but Regina chose to listen to her mother’s lies again. She should have learned the first time never to trust Cora, knowing Cora was the one who killed Daniel. Regina could have chosen a different path, and yet continues to choose evil over good.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Yes, thank you for sharing this! I am so excited for this episode. 🙂
@RumplesGirl wrote:

Also, how did Regina trigger Belle’s memories? What did she do?

When David Nolan was implanted with false memories, it was through a windmill in Gold’s shop; whereas, had David chosen to take a closer at the unicorn mobile, he probably would have gained his true identity as Prince Charming. Likewise, if Belle had held her chipped cup, her true talesman, she likely would have recovered her identity again. Now that Regina has her magic back, I think she will present Belle with a fake talesman, which will give her a false, cursed identity of Lacey. I predict one way that Mr. Gold could help to help restore Belle’s true identity is by mending the chipped cup with magic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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If I understand it correctly, the “Price of Magic” is meant to be a review of all that’s happened so far. I think this particular special artistic promo isn’t meant to be taken literally so much as to be catchy and drop one or two hints about the direction the show is going to take. For example, the promo title suggests something major could happen to SB by the end of S2 (like the arrival of outsiders or the disappearance of the town entirely).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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