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So, if I had to guess, Captain Hook left Neverland well before Baelfire did. Yet, it’s still possible that without either Peter or Hook to keep Neverland in check, the lost boys went sorta crazy and lawless like in Lord of the Flies.

I’ve been thinking that Bae didn’t leave Neverland until the curse, that somehow someone (fairies) got him out of Neverland and into our world. I think this was all part of those “final preparations” Blue mentions in “The Stranger”

Yeah, I think so, too. Even though it’s been confirmed that Mother Superior didn’t have her memories preserved during the curse, I still want to say the part of the BF’s plans were to make sure Baelfire and Emma would have Henry.

Captain Hook definitely left before the curse. If Bae had left before the curse, he’d look closer to age 43 (14-years-old when he left NL + 29 years of waiting for the curse to be broken). So, it makes the most sense that Baelfire would’ve left Neverland sometime in the middle of the curse, which would make Bae appear between around 30 years old in the present day.

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@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Well, whether it be a recruitment or kidnapping, it still amounts to Felix and the Gang taking Henry back to Neverland with Neal and Emma following suite. 😀

Felix could be Pan’s replacement that has gotten a bit out of hand or he could be Hook’s replacement. Hard to say, though it certainly seems like we may be seeing K&H twists on the movie HOOK.

I would assume that if they are able to travel between worlds, Tink is still in Neverland with her pixie dust.

Now how will Heidi fit into all of this? Will be interesting to see. 😀

Why would Hook need a “replacement”? Based on Paleyfest, it sounded like the finale will not only focus strongly on Hook (and possibly Peter Pan), but that Colin O’Donoghue would have a big role to play in that process. Will Colin O’Donoghue not be in the finale?

I don’t believe TheGoldenKey meant there’d be a replacement for Colin O’Donoghue, since he’s already confirmed he’s in last few episodes of S2. Rather, what was meant is that after Captain Hook left Neverland, he may have left behind his crew of pirates, who’d then be in need of a new captain.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Maybe they’re aren’t lost boys at all, but part of Hook’s crew.

And of course who is to say those aren’t one and the same? While I still believe that Neal is Pan, I still strongly suspect that he and Hook have a closer relationship than what is normally perceived. And maybe the Lost Boys became crew members after Neal left them. (gosh I’d really like to know when Bae left Neverland)

If Bae turns out to be Peter Pan, then I’d say he left Neverland at least 16 years ago (he was perpetually 14 in Neverland until he stayed in our world where he aged, and Bae now looks to be at least 30-years-old). Yet, Hook has been absent a long time from Neverland too, perhaps at least 30 years in total. Captain Hook somehow returned from Neverland to the EF (whether with his crew or not we don’t know). He planed to seek out Belle’s aid in killing Rumple, which coincided with Regina preparing to unleash the dark curse (which took at least 9 months for Emma to be born). Plus, Cora talked Hook into waiting 28 years in the remanent of the EF during the curse, which it took another year for Emma to break. Then it took about another month after Emma and Snow White got sucked through a portal into the EF for Hook and Cora to then find away to SB.. So, if I had to guess, Captain Hook left Neverland well before Baelfire did. Yet, it’s still possible that without either Peter or Hook to keep Neverland in check, the lost boys went sorta crazy and lawless like in Lord of the Flies.

I even wonder if Rumple has a hand to play in Henry being ferreted out of SB away to Neverland.

My naive hope is that if Rumple does play a part in this, it’s to save Henry instead of harming him.

Let’s hope so, though I still have foreboding thoughts. 😕 Yet, of course, I’ll hold out hope for Rumple until the cows come home.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I think Emma, Henry and Neal will be in Neverland, with the possibility of Captain Hook and Tamara thrown in for good measure. Gotta keep the love triangles going. Or is it a love rectangle?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I could see the Lost Boys maybe kidnapping Henry when they find out their leader, Peter Pan, betrayed them by growing up. Maybe their revenge is to steal away Peter’s son in the hope of making Henry their new leader.

I could see that too, but I think it would have to happen after they were in Neverland. Can the Lost boys travel like Peter? I have this idea that only Peter Pan could fly between worlds, not the Lost Boys. So for some reason the family (which is basically the entire cast at this point) ends up in Neverland and then the first half of the season or so is spent trying to find a kindnapped Henry.

Yeah, I don’t know if the lost boys could travel on their own, unless they had some pixie dust from an evil fairy (Tinker Bell maybe). Maybe they aren’t lost boys at all, but part of Hook’s crew. I even wonder if Rumple has a hand to play in Henry being ferreted out of SB away to Neverland.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I think Henry was a bit like Regina is this regard: he wants it all. He wants his mother Emma, his father Bae, his perfect grandparents, his adoptive mother Regina and more importantly he wants peace and harmony to exist between all these things. To his understanding the only thing standing in the way of getting it all, was magic. Destroy magic and he could have the life he wants, with his whole family, together, in one place.

On the one hand, I could understand Henry’s rationale for wanting to be rid of magic. Yet, he really didn’t think through how he’d accomplish this or whether dynamite would really work (must take after Prince Charming, who thinks a sword can defeat magic). Yet, what really bothered me was how easily he dismissed his dad and his mom, the people he has so desperately dreamed of finding ever since he realized Regina is the Evil Queen. On the one hand, it was in keeping with his character for Henry to want to take matters into his own hands. Yet, on the other, it just seemed so strange that Henry would just dismiss the chance to know his dad.

In regards to GoldenKey’s theory: Well he is his fathers son so I can see him becoming Pan, but the question is: how did he get to Neverland? Did he go by himself? Did someone send him there (I know the leading contender for this is Rumple but I can’t bring myself to believe that

For the same reason I wrote above, I just find it hard to believe Henry would give up on his parents so easily after he fought so hard to find them. Something really drastic would have to happen to Henry, who has always dreamed of being with his birth family, for him to willingly leave them. I could see the Lost Boys maybe kidnapping Henry when they find out their leader, Peter Pan, betrayed them by growing up. Maybe their revenge is to steal away Peter’s son in the hope of making Henry their new leader. Maybe Rumple even has a hand to play in arranging for Henry to be sent to Neverland, not wanting the plan to be traced back to him. Eventually, Henry might forget about his family, as Peter Pan did in the original tale. So just like in Hook, adult Peter Pan/Baelfire (and Emma) would have to return to Neverland to rescue Henry.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I failed to understand Henry’s actions in “Welcome to Storybrooke.” I understand that he’s upset about magic, about Emma’s lie, upset over Regina being evil, and upset when MM and David fail to live up to perfection. Yet, Henry has no reason to be upset with his dad or to run out on him. Baelfire gave Henry a really good option to come live in NYC where there is no magic, but Henry had to go and nearly get himself blown up. Henry and Baelfire both equally hate what magic does to people, so why would Henry want to run out on a father he’s just getting to know? Henry and Bae have a lot in common and I fail to see why Henry would pass up a chance to know his dad to go off with some kids he doesn’t even know. What I could see happening is Baelfire offering to take Henry away from it all to Neverland, to show him where he himself had awesome adventures as Peter Pan.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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I think Peter Pan is traditionally portrayed as 14 – the same age Baelfire was when Rumple let him go. Yet, the Lost Boys in the Disney cartoon were no older than about 10. Maybe the boys came to our land in search of Peter Pan, which could explain, in part, why they’re on the older side of what would pass for children.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Hmmm, I wonder if the Lost Boys have become “sinister” since their leader, Peter Pan, left them for our world (cough, Baelfire). Felix sounds like a bad boy type. Though 16 does sound a little on the older side to be described as “boys”–more like young men.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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Snow White must be suffering some major despression if she’s willing to die and leave behind her Prince Charming, Emma, and Henry. I could actually see her considering walking across the town line, but then she is distracted and has second thoughts. Maybe Charming comes to her aid. Or maybe as the promo suggests, she comes upon a trailer in the woods, and in it finds wooden August. Talk about a distraction! They end up chatting about making wrong decisions, but both realize they can't just run away from life and strike up a friendship. Snow White discovers Pinocchio went through the wardrobe instead of her, but even then, I think she'd forgive him, especially now that she isn't so faultless herself.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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