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I don’t think anyone, with perhaps the exception of Henry, would be all that sad to see Regina go either. Yet, when Henry finds out that Regina’s aim was to massacre his entire birth family and put the blame on Rumple, I’m pretty sure he’ll question whether Regina’s intentions to redeem herself were ever sincere. Plus, despite Regina’s claims to want redemption, because she didn’t see overnight forgiveness from the victims she tormented for decades, she allied herself with the mother of all evil. When her victims she was plotting to murder decided to protect themselves by fighting back with tactics that her mother gave them, Regina of course will blame her victims, and not the culprits, herself and her bat $%!# crazy mother. Unless Henry can get through to her again, she forfeits ever getting close to Henry again.

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EDIT: Wait, didn’t both Snow and Charming have some kind of protection spell placed on them so that Regina could never harm them? I’m curious how Regina was able to hurl David/Charming out of the store so easily. Is that protection spell worn off? I really need to watch these episodes more carefully.

Rumple fashioned a protection spell for Snow White and Prince Charming so that Regina couldn’t harm them in the EF, but that doesn’t mean she couldn’t harm them in another world. That was Rumple’s entire angle; he wanted to motivate Regina to cast the dark curse so that everyone would be transported to a land without magic, where she can now harm Snow&Co. again.

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@Spitweet wrote:

I’ll just start by saying that I LOVED yesterday’s episode !!

Now, my question is : do you think there is more to the Cora vs Eva story ?

There has to be, coz Cora said she is 5th in line to be queen and I highly doubt that hunting someone down for years because they tripped you justify killing someone…….I mean really ? LOL

Yeah, that wasn’t the best motive a person ever had for wanting revenge, but then again, Cora is a loose cannon. Even the smallest spark might be enough to set her off on a crazy trajectory. At least Hook had a pretty good reason for wanting revenge since Rumple killed his true love and cut off his hand. Yet, you’d think that the passage of time would mellow someone out, but it seems only to fuel passions on this show.

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I think it’s just a difference of interpretation until we hear it confirmed from Jane herself.

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@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@Riddleraven wrote:

I think that Rumple did know that by starting a family with Cora he would be changing the future. Perhaps preventing himself from ever finding Bae some other way than the way he cancelled out. But I don’t think he was giving up. He would’ve kept trying to find another way. And frankly, there WERE other ways to get from fairy tale land to our world. 1) Bae didn’t go straight to our world with the bean, so he found another way. 2) there were other beans in giant land 3) there was at least one enchanted tree that he could’ve learned how to use.

Good point. We’ve learned of numerous different ways to get to from one world to another. Rumpel has tried the magic bean, Jefferson’s hat, Dorothy’s ruby slippers (The Doctor) and then he settled on the curse. So, Rumpel wanting to start a family with Cora didn’t mean that he was giving up on his search for Baelfire. There were many different ways for him to reach him.

As far as Rumple knew, Hook stole his last chance to use a magical bean when Hook tricked him, Jefferson’s hat only worked as a portal to lands with magic, and the ruby slippers had already disappeared from Oz. Rumple searched high and low for alternatives to the dark curse, but he always came up empty handed. In his mind at that moment when Cora agreed to have his child, Rumple probably really did give up on the dark curse and so on what he saw as his last chance to find Bae. Notice, I’m not claiming he would have given up his search entirely forever more. For example, Rumple might have eventually realized Tiny the giant had a defunct magical bean which could be rejuvenated in the waters of Lake Nostos, or he might have realized there was an enchanted tree left that could be fashioned into a portal. Yet, in that moment, Rumple might not have glimpsed those options, because he was so undone by the chance of having a child of his own. He might have been so caught off guard by this new possibility that he failed to glimpse alternatives for finding Bae.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.

Perhaps he didn’t see this new path as diverging from that goal? He had a prophecy from the Seer about a curse that someone else would cast and the boy who’d lead him to his son, etc. He’s obviously also seen enough of the future himself to be able to chuckle about the irony of Cora using the term “snow white”. So I guess if he figures that one way or the other, that prophecy about him finding his son is gonna come true, it doesn’t matter if he shacks up with Cora in the meantime. Actually, it’d make things a bit easier for him, if he’s already got the one destined to cast his curse living with him as his child. Made a whole lot more work for him having to go out and recruit Regina like he did.

Rumple had foreseen that Cora’s marriage to Prince Henry would result in Regina’s birth. Rumple and Cora’s child would not have been Regina. Without Regina, there wouldn’t have been the contention with Snow and the dark curse wouldn’t have been cast unless Rumple found some other desperate soul to do his bidding. I doubt Rumple would have tricked any child of his own into doing his dirty work for him. Rumple would have to mold some other “random first-born child” rather than his own child.

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@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.

I don’t think he did give it up. In the scene where Rumpel and Cora first meet in the tower, he tells her that her daughter is important. He knows that she’s destined to cast the curse. So, even during their brief love affair, he was accutely aware of the curse. He didn’t abandoned his mission to find Bae. Not at all.

The he worded it made me think that he would have had Cora help him find Bae. He didn’t say his first born of THEM, but just his first born. I really doubt he’d give up Bae.

I don’t think so. Rumple worded the deal with Cora so that she would give birth to his child, because he so desperately wanted a family of his own. I think in that moment, he really was willing to forego the chance of finding Baelfire to have a fresh start with his and Cora’s child. He let Cora in, and he temporarily lapsed in his vow never to love anyone until he found Baelfire. By loving someone else, he was effectively reneging on his vow to find his son. Even though the seer prophesied that he would find his son, I think this show is about sorting out what can be from what will be. In that moment when Rumple changed his deal with Cora so she would bare him his child, he was envisioning what could have been if he and Cora had children together; history might have turned out differently if Cora had chosen love instead of power.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Would Rumple really have given up the search for Bae? I found that scene so odd and I’ve watched it so many times now. I can’t believe Rumple would give that up. He spent a life time search for Bae, and to give up for a woman that only brings out the darkness in him… I think it’s a total reversal of his character that he would suddenly give up Bae.

That is what is so jarring. In that moment, he was willing to forego the chance for Regina to be born, which would only happen if Cora and Henry married and conceived her. Without the birth of Regina, there never would have been a contention with Snow White, and so Regina never would have enacted the dark curse. Unless there was some other desperate soul out there for Rumple to manipulate into casting the dark curse for him, Rumple was willingly laying aside the dream of ever finding his son for the chance of starting over with a new family. It is seemingly so out of character for Rumplestiltskin, because what motivated him for centuries before Cora was finding the son with whom Rumple broke his deal, having sworn to love no one else until he did so.

When Cora came along, it was a jolt to his entire system, and his prior way of thinking, because he let Cora in and it almost blindsided him that someone could love him, the unloveable monster who drove away his wife and child. He let down his guard, because his lonely isolation made his vulnerable enough to believe he could have a fresh start with a woman who loved him and would give him a child of his own. It was blip on the radar, and in that moment, be believed he could have a second chance to do it right this time. However, that belief was very short-lived, because he soon realized the harsh truth that Cora chose power over love. So, 30 years later when Belle truly fell in love for him, Rumple was guarded, and though he and Belle really loved one another, he mistrusted her and rejected her pleas for him to believe in their love. He did what Cora had done to him all those years before; he chose power over love, because he was all the more resolved that nothing, absolutely nothing, would stand in the way of his vow to find Baelfire again.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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RumplesGirl wrote: –Did Rumple love Cora? I still don’t know the answer to this question. Jane Espenson’s tweets make me *head desk*. When I went back and re-watched, I was disturbed that Rumple needed to know if Cora ever truly loved him. Why does he need to know? He clearly found a love that was more powerful and real and y’know..actual love with Belle. and like Jane said, he clearly doesn’t love her anymore. Rumple knew love before Belle with Milah, I accept that. And I think with Milah it was a young, hopeless dreamer type love. With Cora it was feeding into each other’s darkest desires and tapping into power. He mistook it for love because of how alone he was and because he finally found someone who shared that desire for darkness. I don’t know if we can call that love in a show that sets up love as the most powerful magic of all. The most powerful good magic of all.

After rewatching the episode, I believe Rumple loved Cora in his own way. Rumple said to Cora he loved her in the scene where he amended the contract for her to give him a child of his own. He may have started out just using Cora so Regina could cast his dark curse, but when he realized Cora could possibly return his love, he changed their deal so that Cora would owe him his child. Think about what that means. Rumple was willing to forego the very existence of Regina, whom he had foreseen would cast the dark curse. That means Rumple was in effect willing to let go of ever finding Baelfire again for the chance of having a child of his own with the woman he loved. In the next scene they were in together, Rumple was anxiously awaiting Cora’s arrival so they could run off and start a family together. So, while Rumple may have started out just wanting to use Cora to get to Regina, he did fall for Cora’s sauciness and for her apparent willingness to give him the one thing he wanted more than anything: a child of his own to help mitigate the loss of Baelfire. When Cora came to his deathbed, he no longer loved Cora, but he wanted to know if Cora had ever returned his love, because he wanted to know what might have been. Also, according to Jane Espenson, Belle was Rumple’s true love, but not his first, so by implicaiton, Rumple must’ve loved Cora. It may not have been a pure love, but it was still a form of love, as the centuries of isolation had dark Rumple had become quite lonely and desperate for any form of affection.

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Jane Espenson tweeted about the relationship between Cora and Rumple:

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