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@drtslim wrote:

Hmmmmm, excellent point! Unless Cora is more powerful than Rumple (which I doubt), then Cora was just lying about dark magic being able to raise the dead or that is a major plot hole! You can’t jump from “dead is daed” suddenly to “a life for a life” can you? Otherwise, wouldn’t Regina have found out about this spooky candle to use on Daniel? Something tells me that even if it meant sacrificing someone else’s life, Regina would’ve done it to get back the Stable Boy

What Cora was trying to get Snow to do was stop a death before it happened, not bring someone back from the dead. Daniel was already dead, not dying when Regina was trying to bring him back, and Cora killed him so quickly that she wouldn’t have had time to use the candle anyway.

Okay, I can see the loop-hole now, though it is very eye-of-the-needle small. 🙂

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@HappyEndings wrote:

Remember what Rumble said dead is dead he told Regina that and King George besides Emma has magic and will using it this episode.

Hmmmmm, excellent point! Unless Cora is more powerful than Rumple (which I doubt), then Cora was just lying about dark magic being able to raise the dead or that is a major plot hole! You can’t jump from “dead is daed” suddenly to “a life for a life” can you? Otherwise, wouldn’t Regina have found out about this spooky candle to use on Daniel? Something tells me that even if it meant sacrificing someone else’s life, Regina would’ve done it to get back the Stable Boy.
@HappyEndings wrote:

What I don’t understand is why Cora doesn’t just call out Rumble’s name the “Dark One” Like Rumble did with Zozo instead of going to the shop if she really did control the “Dark One” this just doesn’t make sense to me:?:

Another fact do you really think Rumble would tell where the real dagger was knowing how the Charmings are that they woudl give it up to save somone ❓

No, I don’t believe Rumple told the location of the real dagger to the Charmings; the one in the tower was a fake. I think the real dagger is Mr. Gold’s pawn shop, which is why he used a protection spell on it to conceal the real dagger. I posted the same question, “Is the dagger a fake?” on another thread: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=3098

@Keb wrote:

THEORY! (After watching it again.) If you hold someone’s heart, you can control that person, as we saw with the Huntsman and Aurora.

Cora’s got the dagger, so she can control Rumple when he gets back. But if Snow has Cora’s heart, she can control Cora…

Ohhhhh, interesting! I’d like to see Cora being controlled for once!

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Keb wrote:

For a long period of Season 1, Cora was trapped in Wonderland, though. She couldn’t have been impersonating the BF then.

Excellent point! Thanks, that really does help alleviate some of my fears.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Maybe I’m wrong, but it would be a surprise unless facing his mortality makes Mr. Gold desperate enough to think two muggles can take on powerful witches.

But did he expect that they’d have to take them on? The whole purpose of the Charmings finding the dagger wasn’t so they could use it to confront anyone, it was so Cora and Regina wouldn’t find it. The Charmings getting it first was meant to eliminate the threat of anyone wreaking havoc with it. It’s just that Cora and Regina were onto them, and the plan to keep the dagger out of their hands ended up being a bust.

Yes, the Charmings were supposed to find the dagger first and eliminate it as a threat. And if it hadn’t been for Snow blabbing to Regina in granny’s dinner about the dagger and choosing the side of good, then Regina and Cora never would have known Snow and Charming were looking for it too. Snow gave up her advantage of secretly knowing about the dagger when Cora and Regina didn’t know she knew.

But, really, does Mr. Gold suddenly think Snow White would be so strategic? This is the same woman who spared Regina in the EF, thinking Regina would change for the better, and then Regina cast the dark curse. Rumple knows Snow’s weakness is giving Regina second chances. Ahhhh, short-sightedness on Rumple’s part if he thought anything had changed. How could the Dark One not glimpse that happening or at least know from prior experience? He knew in the EF that Snow couldn’t resist giving Regina second chances so he should’ve known now. And why, oh why, did he cast the protection spell if not to conceal something precious like the real dagger?

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Phee wrote:

That is most unexpected. 😯 Bless Bobby and his loose lips.

😆 Yes, bless loose-lipped Bobby; he’s done it again. He already got the scolding of a lifetime at the panel discussion. He let it slip that there’ll be a major game changer for Rumple and Bae coming up.

I’m surprised that young Cora won’t be guessing Rumple’s name. Interesting. Very interesting. I like the thought that she’ll discover his dagger, which will be how she keeps baby Regina.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Jbwood5 wrote:

So is it possible that David is the one who dies since he clearly gets thrown like a rag doll and Snow uses the candle over Cora’s heart to bring him back and that’s why he is getting up when he says “what did you do?”

Yes, this is what I was gonna say! Charming’s “What did you do?” would fit in quite nicely with the convo he and Snow had at Johanna’s grave. Snow was determined not to lose anyone else. She also listed off all the times she made the “right decision” and it led to heartbreak. He kept imploring her to remain good. So I think that Charming will be mortally wounded in the battle in Gold’s shop, and Snow will be, “Screw the right decision to not use dark magic. I’ve still got that candle.” Then she’ll use it to save Charming and kill Cora, and he’ll stand up and see what happened and be all, “What did you do?”

And if that ain’t a lesson in karma for Cora, then I dunno what is. She tricked Snow into taking the item that was ultimately used to kill her. Though I’ve really been hoping it would be Regina who kills Cora, I think that having Snow do it this way would be perfect poetic justice for the old witch.

😮 This is a wonderful theory, which I hope will actually play out. At first, I thought there was no way David would die, because we’ve seen pictures of Josh filming in later episodes of the season. However, I hadn’t even considered that Snow still had the spooky candle. How would she have kept it though during the curse? Maybe Mr. Gold collected it in his shop? Anyway, that would be a really interesting plot twist. It would also help explain Lana Parrilla’s tweet to Jane Espensen about this episode being KILLER.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@ItachiIshtar wrote:

Hopefully we’ll get more information once or if the press release is ever posted, but IMBD lists that Eva Allen is playing Princess Eva, so unless this is incorrect, this might rule out Eva and Cora being sisters. You can't be a princess if your father is a miller.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2620930/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

That’s really interesting. I dont think they’re sisters but obviously enemies and it has to do with Cora’s station in life as the Miller’s Daughter. I wonder if Young Eva was like Young Snow before her mother dies: thinks the servants are lower than the royals.

Oh, very interesting theory. I could see young Eva taunting young Cora for being a social climber and saying, “You’ll never be more than a miller’s daughter.” That is why Cora emphasized that same phrase “miller’s daughter” when she gloated over Eva’s casket.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Phee wrote:

I think at this point in time, Rumple’s had to admit that he’s gotta rely on others to protect him, given that he’s lying there dying from a poisoned chest wound and all, so it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he told them the location of the real dagger. Frankly, it’s a pretty awesome hiding spot for it, better than in his shop. People can wander in and out of his shop any time, he doesn’t have a protection spell on the place 24/7. But no one ever even thinks of going up into the clock tower.

THIS. Rumple needs to learn to rely on others and the goodness of others, and not magic.

I think it’s the real dagger, because it makes the next episode even more exciting. DRAMA time!!!

It might make for more family drama if Rumple were actually to trust Snow and Charming, but Rumple is a smart man. He doesn’t believe Snow and Charming, who are without magic, could face-off with the likes of two powerful sorceresses like Cora and Regina. Only the Dark One could ever take them on. No, I just don’t believe that after centuries, Rumple would be so short-sighted. Also, there is a reason for the protection spell over his pawn shop. Why else would that be in place except to keep two powerful sorceresses at bay? He can glimpse the future, so he must have seen some of this coming (i.e “the final battle will begin”). Maybe I’m wrong, but it would be a surprise unless facing his mortality makes Mr. Gold desperate enough to think two muggles can take on powerful witches.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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@Jbwood5 wrote:

In one of the Peter Pan stories hook was in love with pans mother till she died then he became a father figure to Peter and took him to neverland. But they had a falling out and became bitter rivals so I am sure that is where they are taking this. I believe hook knew exactly who bae was the whole time but bae didn’t know who hook was (his mothers lover). And that is why hook stated at some point that bae didn’t want to be found.

I think Bae knows exactly who Captain Hook is in relation to his mother (i.e. the pirate who took her, which in itself is enough reason for Bae’s vendetta against Hook). If you recall in 2×4 The Crocodile, 7-year-old Baelfire found his mother in the tavern talking to Killian Jones. I believe that at age 14, Baelfire would’ve remembered his mother flirting with other men, and upon arriving at Neverland, would’ve identified Hook as that pirate who kidnapped his mother. Actually, it would make more sense to me for Bae to believe Hook had stolen his mother from him. It’s possible that Hook never told him that his father murdered Milha, but I have a feeling Hook disclosed this piece of information to Bae. After all, Hook isn’t exactly discrete about wanting his “revenge” or wanting to skin a crocodile; he repeats those phrases to anyone in earshot. The knowledge that Rumple killed Milha could’ve been yet another reason Bae didn’t want to be found by his father.

I hope the major game-changer between Bae and Rumple’s relationship will actually be positive rather than negative. So far, the relationship is obviously strained, so maybe things will actually start to look up by the season finale. Perhaps Rumple will lose his powers as the dark one. All Bae ever wanted was his father. If his dad were to become a regular man, perhaps through true love’s kiss with Bell, then that would go along way to reestablishing a father-son relationship again.

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‘ONCE UPON A TIME’ CREATORS TEASE ‘AMERICAN HORROR STORY’ MEETS WONDERLAND SPIN-OFF
http://www.hollywood.com/news/tv/55002891/once-upon-a-time-creators-spin-off-american-horror-story-wonderland

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