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ParticipantMidnight Dreary wrote He doesn’t know that August is Bae. If he did, then he wouldn’t be so eager to expose him.
I think that Rumple must know who August really is, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to expose his true identity.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThe sneak peek showed August pointing Rumple's knife at Gold/Rumple. That could be his way to rid Rumple of his powers/curse, and for Bae to have his dad back.
If August is really Bea and he were to kill Rumple, not only would Bea become the next Dark One, but his dad would die. So, I don't think that's going to happen. Perhaps there is another way to rid Rumple of his powers that we don't yet know about ….
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI think Regina could have been humiliated in her own mind when the king clearly favored his daughter and first wife over his second wife. Leopold called SW the “fairest in all the land” in episode 10, as her mother had been to him once. Not only did Regina feel cast aside, but I think she was already living a twisted existence full of envy, hatred, and desire for revenge after Daniel’s murder. Blinded by this inner darkness, Regina probably felt being publicly cast aside was equivalent to being publicly humiliated. She was like an old toy who’d been neglected. Of course, she could have been a lousy wife and step-mother, which is why King Leopold never loved her as much as his first wife. Regina felt humiliated that she never gained the king’s favor.
Also, Regina’s hatred was fueled by her belief that SW had taken true love away from her. In episode 8, Snow White admitted to the Huntsman that she’d ruined the queen’s life. In the letter she wrote to Regina, she acknowledged that Regina would never have love in her life because of what she’d done (i.e. tell Regina’s secret to Cora). In the pilot, Snow White speculated that Regina poisoned an apple because she thought SW was prettier than her. I think that was symptomatic of the idea that King Leopold never loved his second wife as much as he loved and admired SW, who resembled his fist wife.
Of course, I think there is more to this story. I really like your theory, weedith, that after Prince Charming awoke SW from the glass coffin, SW returned to the court to expose Regina for murdering the king, thereby dethroning her. That would be real public humiliation for a good reason.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantOverall, this episode was satisfying. It explained why Regina became corrupted in the first place: by losing her true love, she lost her heart. Recall how when Snow White drank a potion to forget her true love, her heart became slightly darkened. It also made SW vengeful and desirous to kill Regina (until Prince Charming saved SW from that dark fate). I think that is a pretty good hint that Regina will be driven to kill her mother, Cora, and why she poisoned an apple to kill SW. I think that Regina was the victim of her mother’s malicious ways. Also, her mother ripping out Daniel’s heart is a clear indicator of where Regina learned how to rip out Graham’s heart. That was a pretty creepy parallel of “like mother, like daughter.” Sadly, I think her relationship with Cora darkened Regina’s understanding of how to be a good mother-figure to SW.
Of course, there is no justification for Regina to take out her pain on all of the Enchanted Forest. In becoming evil, though, she probably lost her ability to empathize at all for others’ suffering. It’s as she has lost the value for other human lives, even taking the life of her own father. That shows just how depraved she’d become by then. I think once she chose to go down that darkened road, there was no going back, just like Rumplestiltskin warned would happen to SW if she killed Regina.
I agree that we’ve only just seen part of the story. I don’t think we’ve seen Regina be publicly humiliated yet. The only possibility I can think of is in episode 10 when King Leopold clearly ignored his wife, Queen Regina, and publicly praised SW’s beauty in his court by calling her the “fairest in all the land.” King Leopold gave the praised Regina so desired to his daughter instead. That, on top of SW divulging Regina’s secret, probably helped to resolve Regina’s hatred all the more. I still think there was something else that happened though between Regina’s marriage to Leopold and her killing him that solidified her evilness. Even Regina couldn’t have just become a murderous villain overnight. Daniel’s murder was just the trigger that must have led to further evil acts.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant@ JeremyLaughlin: I agree. The “magic” that Mr. Gold was referring to was most likely figurative.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI think the heart is one of Regina’s many magic hearts from her vault.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant@ Phee: The theory that Cora is the miller’s daughter (and therefore Regina is the miller’s granddaughter) was tossed around here: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=164&hilit=cora+the+miller%27s+daughter
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantWhy would Mr. Gold want to expose his own son’s identity though? I can’t see why Mr. Gold would be motivated to risk exposing Baelfire to Regina’s wrath.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant‘Once Upon a Time’: Barbara Hershey Teases the Evil Mother’s ‘Warped’ Ways (Q&A)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-upon-a-time-barbara-hershey-cora-regina-306049"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantMore and more, I’m starting to think August is in fact Pinocchio. Pinocchio was known for lying. August seemingly lied about the lemurs. Also, Wayne Booth wrote about the “unreliable narrator” (another term for liar).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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