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ParticipantI don’t have a lot to say in response. Basically, nearly every parent has hurt his or her kid at some point, whether it was making him feel crazy or abandoning him. Torn parent/child relationships is how this show operates.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantI think what crossed the line for Regina was more so that Henry was the victim here. Emma took advantage of Henry’s emotions and manipulated Violet into breaking his heart. Emma did this all to her own son.
From Regina’s view yes, I understand it’s totally problematic and appalling that Emma would do that to Henry of all people. Undoubtedly, it deeply hurt Regina to see Emma cause Henry pain by using Violet as a means to an end to get what Emma needed, but objectively speaking, Regina is guilty of using a child just as much as Emma is. While Henry is way more important to Regina than is that lost boy whose heart Regina took, that doesn’t mean that lost boy was any less worthy than Henry or Violet of being treated with dignity. So it seems a bit hypocritical in my estimation for Regina to scold Emma for doing something Regina herself has done to another child; just because the child that Regina used as a means to an end wasn’t Regina’s own child doesn’t mean that lost boy was any less worthy of being treated with respect dignity than was Henry’s girlfriend.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez
ParticipantYeah, cause Emma’s hesitated quite a bit about wanting that darkness taken out of her and he seems to be the only one who can do it. So she kills him, takes everyone’s memories, and now no one can save her (except herself)
Yeah, the memories of Camelot are trapped inside of the dreamcatchers. The town will probably get their memories back when they discover the shed. Perhaps Emma took away their memories, not just because she was ashamed of what she did to Henry, but perhaps also because of what they did to her which made her fully embrace becoming the dark one.
However, I don’t think Emma killed Merlin. If anyone actually did kill him it would’ve been either Arthur or the dark one in the mask who put Merlin in that tree in the first place. Also, I think whoever put Merlin in that tree is the one who cursed the town…remember Dopey turned into a tree when he tried to cross the town line. It’s the same sort of dark magic at play.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI seem to recall Regina taking a lost boy’s heart and using it for “a greater good” similar to the rationale of Emma using Violet’s heart to get Henry’s tears of lost love. In fact, I seem to recall Regina taking Belle’s heart (without Belle’s consent) just last season. So I don’t really get how Regina can say she has the moral high ground here. It’s not like Emma has crushed anyone’s heart (well, that we know of anyway). I’m not in any way making excuses for Emma, since what she did was sinister. However, the difference is that Emma is inhabited by a dark force which makes her more prone to deceive, almost against what she would otherwise have freely chosen were she not the dark one.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantPoor papa…
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantSo Emma just basically summed up everything that is wrong with CS in the first sentence and stated just why SF was so right in the second one.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantHenry wishes his dad were still around. Both Bae and Henry had parents who became dark ones. Yet another reason why Bae is the one who should’ve been there for Henry.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant“I played her some music and she was into it”
“What did you play?”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantRemember when Emma couldn’t believe the dreamcatcher had survived all that time…
x"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAnd do you think this how someone becomes brave, does it fit with the themes of this show?
That would be a big fat no. Taking up arms is not the only path towards heroism. Let’s look at Belle, since her bravery was contrasted with Rumple’s cowardice early on. She was a hero who saved her people, but who did so without resorting to violence. From Skin Deep:
Belle: I always wanted to be brave. I figured, do the brave thing, and bravery would follow.
Also, let’s not forget how Rumple already scarified himself to save his family, which is the very epitome of heroism. Moreover, claiming one must learn to fight with a weapon to be brave is incredibly insulting to people who are disabled. Rumple without magic is physically unable to defend himself with a sword, but it doesn’t disqualify him from showing courage in other ways besides physical prowess.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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