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@A Chipped Cup wrote:
It’s the leather pants.
*nodnodnodnodnodnodnodnod* Welcome to the dark side, we got triple chocolat devil food cake! 😆 😈 😆
[adrotate group="5"]I know I should have ended that post with : Please don’t kill me!
And yes, fatherly Rumpel is a dear man, but like all humans already is a bit vindictive. He only hasn’t got the power tostand up for himself. When he does, the first thing he does is go on a killing spree. Rumpel dear is a tad overprotective. If you hurt what he loves, he will turn you into mince meat… or mince snail. That fact has not changed over 300 years, and that is the part Belle keeps running from.
BTW I love Belle, and Emelie de Ravin. The moment I saw her backstage twirling her Belle dress like a little girl I thought: You’re my kinda girl! I would do that too.
All I am saying is that she should give Rumpel a break. His dark side is sexy too. Waaaaay sexy. Come over to the dark side, Belle. Live a little. Don’t be a goodie two-shoes all the time.Gypsy: Remember, Rumpelstiltskin is the master of loopholes and plotting, it only figures that the previous Dark One is similar. Plus, Zoso wants to die. He has had enough of life, and wants someone to kill him so he is put out of his misery. It figures, because the Dark One is immortal, Zoso probably has seen all his loved ones die. He probably can’t kill himself, just like Rumpel couldn’t make himself go through the portal. The curse posseses you at such a moment, keeping you back. Therefor having the knife himself would be useless. He needed a poor schmuck that was desperate to do so: Rumpel.
Mich7: I haven’t seen that episode yet, but I agree with you. Rumpelstiltskin, even without the curse, is a flawed man, like we all are. That’s why as much as I like Belle, I’m coming to wonder if they are right for each other. Yes, he loves her, and he would change for her best he can. But she loves the man she thinks he should be, not the man he is. When she is with him, it is out of a romantic notion that she is his saviour instead of accepting his flaws and loving him flaws and all. That’s why she is threatening to leave him, at least once an episode.(from what I gathered so far, still have to SEE the episodes, so I could be wrong)
@Mich7 wrote:
The only time I’ve really seen any true cowardice is when he was with Belle and wouldn’t tell her the truth for fear of losing her…Rumple’s motivation for whatever he does(whether brave or cowardly) is always tied to the people he loves imo.
I think that might not be cowardness after all. More like sacrifice. Think of it for a moment: He has done everything to keep the promise to his son the past 300 year. But he needs his magic for that (or at least is convinced he does) If Belle “cures” him of that, it’s gone.So he gets mad. Now let’s go a step further. Maybe Rumpelstiltskin knows the ingredients he need for the curse: True love and the heart of what he loves most. Both can be found in Belle. So he would need to sacrifice her for his son. And part of him would, certainly. He has placed his son above everything. But he loves Belle too. He probably knows himself enough to know he can’t trust himself with such a temptation. So he makes the only decision he can: to send her away.
And actually with Robert Carlyle would have followed his son, I meant he acted it too well. Like he portrayed the love for his son, there is no way there would be a doubt in his mind, once the time came. He’s a lovely dad. I do think it fits with Rumpel though.
To Gypsy: I agree, it is a bit strange. Usually genies can’t turn against their owner unless they trick them, but if the knife was out in the open like that he should be able to grab it back… Unless he already had the order he could not.
@Gypsy wrote:
To depict Rumplestiltskin as such a coward, then to show him risking his life doing what he did….he was less of a coward at that moment than when he had his Dark One powers and let Bae go into the vortex alone.
Well, I don’t think Rumpelstiltskin is a coward, at all, but it is how the world sees him and how he sees himself (after being told long enough, you start believing). The chance to redeem himself, and save his son in the proces was one he could not pass up. He was truly a desperate soul, so easy for Zoso to exploit. Not a coward, he would sacrifice himself for his son, no doubt.
However when his son goes down the vortex, the curse grabs hold of him, kinda like in Lordof the Rings, when Frodo wants to cast the ring in the Mount Doom. He can’t do it the power of the curse is to big. Just like with the Ring , we see Rumpel’s eyes become bigger as the curse consumes him. I think Rumpel eventually would have made the right choice, but he is too late, and the portal closes.
Zoso was able to pull it off because he only needs to do what he is summoned for when someone has the knife. If they have no mission for him, he is “free” to do what he wants.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
[ “I wonder if Zozo (the previous Dark One) chose Rumple because he saw The Full Monty.”
Yes! He saw Rumpel’s rear of the year and thought: “That would look great, clad in skin thight leather.” 😆
But on a more serious note, I don’t think Zoso considered Rumpel’s intelligence. He saw a desperate man that would go to any length to save his son.
I think it is interesting to see how Robert Carlyle plays these parts of a self-sacrificing father, seeing his own background where his mom left him as a small kid (I keep forgetting if it is 4 or 6) and he has being raised by his dad. There seems to be such despair and yet fight in him. It is beautiful to watch, also because he conveys such an enormous love in it. It is conveyed through every action, which makes himsuch a wonderful actor. I think Carlyle himself would have followed his son through the portal though… but then there would have been no story.Here dear http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=64EDjuzhyvY&NR=1
I hope that helps… He goes the Full Monty in the movie, but here’s a teaser… I love the way his change (coins) is being flung out of his coat as he tosses it over his head.. And that lovely bottom…. Oops, did I say that out loud?Watch Full Monty as an antidote… That way you just see Mr Gold take his clothes off every time you see him. Bit of a scrawny guy, but easy on the eye. I’d date him… if didn’t have a wife and three kids.
Besides, if people scare you, they always say you should picture them without any clothes on *wink wink*
A crutch to lean on. As magic is a crutch too.
That’s exactly what I meant. We are talking about fairy tales here and fairy tales are designed to teach us lessons through metaphors. It would be completely logical to use the cane in this way: The magic is his crutch, the cane is a crutch, therefor the cane contains magic. Th
And I also completely agree with you, pre-Dark Rumpel saw himself as a bad father, even though he was the most loving father you can imagine, who would have given his life for his son. But people saw him as a coward and therefor he did not see himself as a good role model for his son, and that weighed heavy on him. I think by what the soldier called him: HobbleFoot it was probably a birth defect, clubfoot, for which he was bullied his entire life. The Duke would not have cared, he was not looking for fighters, but for canon fodder. And it could be why young Rumpel ran. If you know you are not gonna make it out, you might think twice about running into battle. Rumpel’s strength is his wits, which he puts to good use always, his intellegence makes him see ahead, but he is also smart enough to run when it is hopeless. Unfortunately, that is seen as cowardice, and not appreciated.
Last season, in Desperate Souls, we saw two sides of the dagger. One with name spelled hilt to tip and the other side with name spelled tip to hilt. This season, in Broken, when he summons the Wraith, dagger has name hilt to tip and on reversed side no name but ornate decoration.
Hey! He did a Voldemort horcrux thingy and split the dagger in two? Possebilities, possebilities. *grins*
Rumpelstiltskin and a simple solution??? * cue evil Rumpel laughter* 😆 😆 😆 I’m pretty sure that’s OUAT blasphemy. No dearie, not possible. It’s not in his character…. and that’s why I love him so much, a complex thinker that is ten steps ahead.
Maybe we should starta new thread: Guess Gold’s name. with all sorts of horrible names… hmmm, maybe see if that thread already exists. Would be a fun contest.
