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storybrookegirl
ParticipantWell, what with 1) the goodbye-type speech to Belle, 2) the way he touched his chest when giving it, 3) him saying “something is changing”, and, maybe most significantly, 4) the title of episode 17 of this season (“Heart of Gold”), I think that there is SOMETHING going on with Gold’s heart that is going to result in him either dying, or having to do something to stop himself from dying. It could be, like some suggested, that his heart is just getting darker and darker; that would help explain how he had the capacity for goodness to be a hero in season 3, and now is back to villainy. Or something could physically be going on with his heart, perhaps related to him being the Dark One. We don’t know how long other Dark Ones have lasted, but we do know that he has been it for at least two to three hundred years, and that recently he died, resurrected, and shared his body with another person. Being the Dark One may make him immortal, but all of that has got to be a strain, and maybe the Dark One curse wasn’t meant to last as long as he has in one body.
Other theory: We know that Gold is trying to darken Emma’s heart, but maybe something is having the opposite effect on his? He said that things are “changing”, after all. Can the Dark One curse inhabit a body with a light heart? I don’t know about this one, though, because we’ve already seen Gold with a pretty light heart, saving everyone from his father and loving his son and Belle and all.
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ParticipantWho do you think Lily’s father is? I think he’s the sorcerer. It would explain Lily’s star mark, which matches the stars of the sorcerer’s hat.
That was definitely my first thought, that Lily’s father is the sorcerer because of the star tattoo. Another option, however, is that Lily is the sorcerer. We haven’t seen the sorcerer at this point, and people have commented that the apprentice seems to do everything and that they don’t think the sorcerer exists. Maybe it’s not that the sorcerer doesn’t exist, but that either 1) “Sorcerer” is a title, not a name, Author-style, and the current one died or something and then Lily is meant to be the next one, or 2) the apprentice knew that the sorcerer would be born one day, because he has the sight and can see the future, but she hadn’t been born yet until Lily came along.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantI like that there have been multiple Authors. I like that their job was to document what happened. That feels like a shoutout to all the people in our world who have written fairy tales. That fits, it makes sense, it allowed them to sneak in a Walt Disney mention, and that’s all well and good for me.
See that actually bothered me because how does the Sorcerer have any influence in our world? He mentioned Walt, but then also “a man who watched shadows on a wall” is very clearly Plato and then there were “playwrights” It actually sounds like every Author was from our world….
This has got me thinking… It would totally make sense for every Author to be from our world, because this show is about fairy tales anyway, which are stories in our world. The other worlds we’ve seen from Jefferson’s hat are story settings in our world (Wonderland and Black-and-White Movie World where Frankenstein is from). So maybe our world is the “real” world or the highest world in a hierarchy of worlds, sort of, and every Author is from here and observes what’s happening in the other worlds.
Well, IF every Author is from our world, why was that particular Author in the EF? Here’s my new theory: The Author somehow accidentally ended up in the EF, which Authors were never meant to do, because once they got to a land without magic they could use magic to alter the stories, like we saw the recent Author doing. And maybe it was an accident, and the Author wanted to get back to our world, which is why he started messing around with people’s stories. The Author was writing a story to put everyone on a route that would cause him to be banished to the book, the dark curse to happen and the book to be taken to our world (his original world), and the door to be eventually opened so he could get back home to our world. That’s why he ran off so quickly when he got out, he had something to go back to!
This theory doesn’t necessarily imply that the Author planned on absolutely everything that happened along the way, like Gold trying to turn Emma dark or anything, but just that he ruined people’s stories enough and made sure someone in town knew that he was trapped in the book so that after the dark curse brought everyone to our world, they would set him free.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantI definitely think Lily is going to important later, both because of the unexplained star birthmark/ brand thing and because I think it was mentioned in her casting call or something that she would be. Anyway, I was curious about Lillith in mythology, so I looked her up. In Jewish tradition, she’s the mother of all demons and eats children. More pertinent to this season’s storyline, however, she (or, in some versions, her daughter) possessed a girl through a mirror. What with the Snow Queen’s mirror-centric plan and Will Scarlet having somehow come from Wonderland, which we all know is mostly accessed through mirrors, I think, unfortunately, Lily looks like she will be playing the villain in this season. So, some thoughts:
We don’t know who Lily’s birth parents are. We also don’t know why the Snow Queen wants a family so bad. Could these two things be connected; as in, could the Snow Queen be Lily’s birth mother? They sure don’t look much alike… We also haven’t seen the Sorcerer (the original owner of the star-hat) yet. Could he have something to do with Lily?storybrookegirl
ParticipantIf the name Lily is in connection with Mickey Mouse, maybe her storyline is connected to the sorcerer/ apprentice storyline. Especially if she’s to be a returning character, I doubt she’ll even be confined to Emma-backstory flashbacks. Remember, we saw the apprentice in last week’s episode, but we’ve yet to see the sorcerer.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantWell, we have two people in SB right now who shouldn’t be there (as in, were not brought by the curse). I know that Will COULD MAYBE have been brought by the curse, but since he was in WL living out his happy ending and not in the EF with everyone else, I’m going to assume he wasn’t. So, is it crazy to think maybe Will and this Snow Queen came from the same place? As in, maybe she was terrorizing WL and he and Ana, as good rulers, chased her out, but he got stuck in our world? That could be a reason for why he broke into her shop, as well; if he knows who she is, maybe he’s trying to catch her before Emma does. Maybe she’s done something to Ana, and he’s trying to get her to undo it. Just some ideas.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantThat’s an interesting idea, the Dark One curse wanting to be free. It gives me an idea: What if the Sorcerer created the hat to catch the Dark One curse? Rumple said the hat “steals” magic, as if the Sorcerer were some evil entity, but his Apprentice was such a nice guy, I don’t think we can assume that. Maybe it does steal magic, as a side effect, but the original intention was to eradicate the Dark Curse or to contain it? And this is making kind of a leap here, but if that’s true, this venture might not end so well for Rumplestiltskin… What if it’s a trap?
storybrookegirl
ParticipantRumple could just be flat-out insane at this point, as part of his “undoing.” I highly doubt that he actually died at any point, since the show seems to have established pretty well that people can’t actually come back from the dead. I think he went to Oz after he stabbed himself, and I hope we get to see some of it at some point. Then I bet Zelena found him there. Anyways, throughout this whole process of “undoing,” Rumple could have very well gone insane, thus leading to his current mental state, and also lost his magic, explaining why he’s his old self in the crazy department, but not in the confidence department or the not-being-able-to-be-caged department or the shiny-skin department.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantThis is a very long, crazy-theory-rich post:
I think that Rumple could still be Zelena’s father. Though she may have implied to Regina she only knew him as a teacher, her exact words were “the only man whom both our paths have crossed.” Regina assumed the rest, that she was his student and he chose Regina. And why would we assume the WWW is honest, anyway? I also think that that emotional moment in which she paused after hearing both Rumple and Cora are dead could have been her realizing her status as an orphan.
If Rumple is Zelena’s father, I would imagine it played out like this: Cora became pregnant so close to her ending her affair with Rumple and marrying Prince Henry that she didn’t realize she was pregnant with Rumple’s child when she cut out her heart and married Henry and she didn’t realize the baby was Rumple’s when she presented it to the royal court and named her Regina (because she will be queen one day). Then Rumple came back for his child, which Cora made a deal with him that he could have, and Cora realized the horrible truth. She tried to use magic to break the deal, leading horribly to her daughter’s turning green all over from some potion. Cora then hopelessly disowned the baby because “no child of hers would ever be his” (Rumple’s). She named her NEXT child Regina and tried to pretend the first baby never happened. Thus, Zelena winds up obsessed with her half-sister who has the life she was supposed to have, and tries to steal everything that makes Regina happy in order to take back her life.
This theory is pretty out there, though, and I don’t think it fits with how good of a father Rumple is — why would he ever leave his child, if he knew she existed? So my other theory for them being half-sisters is that the Wizard was some aforementioned poor stable boy in Cora’s life, who she had a child by but then tried to kill, thus leading to the baby turning green (she’s green for a reason, people!), and then the father wound up becoming the Wizard in the typical Oz-story progression of events. I agree that is a little Wicked-y, but as long as they stay away from the exact plot points in Wicked, I think it could work. Or perhaps Rumple IS the Wizard, in some way?
However, I think the most likely theory is that Zelena is lying. They aren’t really half-sisters at all, and she broke the blood lock with Regina’s blood that she stole. I don’t know what pretending to be Regina’s sister would gain her, but based on her creepiness about Snow’s baby, I would say that her real play is to get her hands on the baby. Maybe she really wants vengeance on Snow for something? I’m betting it has something to do with the Cora-Ava backstory we’ve been waiting for more of since last season.
storybrookegirl
ParticipantI was really really hoping when she said that none of it ever happened it would actually not have happened. Because then a few certain people who were alive in the Enchanted Forest who died in out world could’ve made a reappearance……………………………………………..
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