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So I must have not turned notifications off for this forum when I left & have been soundly spammed over the last few weeks with a bunch of the same old passive aggressive CS/Hook bashing by the same old people (nothings changed here I see) & now added petty bickering for good measure.
For those of you who don’t like CS/Hook/Emma for whatever reason & want to try pick holes in it- go discuss your issues with the ship elsewhere- the CS thread was/is supposed to be a safe place for those that actually enjoy the ship to talk about it.If a CSer wants to vent on the CS thread about hate or shade being thrown at the ship… so be it- it’s a “safe place” for him/her to do so! If you don’t like someone venting over what you’ve said that is counter to the ship in said ships safe place, that is too bad for you- go vent on any of the many anti-CS/Hook forums on this site- the passive aggressive hate being touted as “discussion” & brought into the ships “safe place” is a part of what chased most, if not all us original CSers off this site- great to see nothing has changed there *smh*
For those CS fans left on this site wanting to discuss CS I strongly suggest going to one of the many other sites CSer’s use- this site has reputation for being an anti-site… esp anti-CS, so you either have to accept you will be talking to yourself here, or go where the other actual fans of the ship you like are to talk about it- all of us that left here originally certainly felt so much happier away from all the toxicity of this site.
As for the facts of CS-
(FACT being sourced off of the show itself or from interviews rather than personal interpretation or opinion):CS planned or not?
Adam & Eddie planned CS from the start.“Did you always intended to have Hook in love with Emma? Was that something you planned out or was it something that developed because of the actor’s chemistry onscreen?
Eddy: Always.Adam: Always. I mean, listen… You go into these things with the best intentions. That is to say we loved the idea that Hook and Emma would be kindred spirits and that is why we kind of wrote that in the beanstalk episode of season 2. But of course, you know, there’s always the chance that there isn’t any chemistry. We were very lucky that we feel that Hook and Emma have an enormous amount of chemistry so that kind of allowed us to stick to the plan that we wanted.”
https://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/05/once-upon-a-time-producers-tease-struggles-of-redemption-a-shock/
Given they have never contradicted that statement, their word is law there- they also stated elsewhere they wanted Hook for S1 but couldn’t get the rights.
CS =Destined or not:
As for Killian saying/thinking he & Emma were not destined to be together, that’s because as far as he or any of them know (along with anyone else who has a basic grasp of common sense) Captain Hook doesn’t ever end up marrying Snow White & Prince Charming’s daughter in Peter Pan…. As A&E have said from the word go- Emma is/was a new FT princess- this was her story, now she & Hook are confirmed TL & supposedly living HEA, it could later be seen as destined TL- who knows.CS= TL or not:
CS are TL.
To say otherwise is blatantly ignoring not only cannon but also A&E who have also stated point blank CS = TL in interviews (just one example below- others can find more for themselves).“How will Emma and Hook’s relationship change as they overcome her darkness together?
Kitsis: They will be tested like they never have been tested before. We’ll have to see if true love can really conquer all.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-creators-question-839776
In the narrative of the show, CS = TL has been shown on numerous occasions in different ways- either through actions (ie. Emma ditched magic in S3, went along with Rumple’s crap in S2, went to the UW in S5 to name a few examples- just to save Hook, not including making it perfectly clear she didn’t want to live without him, even at the expense of others) /plot device (ie.TL scales/ magic kiss/memory flashes) &/or dialogue (Killian confessed Emma was his TL in S3- Emma said Killian is her TL in S6).Therefore as in any show, cannon states they are TL.
SF = TL or not:
Neal was Emma’s 1st love- that is cannon by all accounts.
Belle stated what she personally believed the reason “could be” for the swan keychain being there. If we do take Belle’s word as law, then to be blunt, the Swan keychain survived simply because Emma was Neal’s TL, but it doesn’t automatically follow that Emma reciprocated & felt Neal was her TL- in fact cannon discounts that because Emma said point blank she didn’t think she would find or have TL until she found it with Killian- therefore by the rules of cannon SF was not a TL couple, despite the fact they did love each other.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.Why no CS TLK?:
Tbh, despite what A&E have said since the finale aired, they went around stating they weren’t planning on S6 being the last season so weren’t planning on wrapping things up with S6 etc. at the start of the season- thats a matter of public record. By Dec/Jan all of a sudden things changed drastically…. Personally, I think it was a combo of A&E finding out some of the main cast didn’t want to return, which in turn meant ABC wasn’t sure if the show would be renewed, so they then made the call to wrap up the current storyline & try to start fresh ‘just in case’- (which as we all know by now is code for ‘reuse the exact same plot, arcs & premises they’ve used at least once before & label it “new/different” *smh*).Going off what JMO has said & when the S7 negotiations were made/ announced, it was rather late in the filming season before they knew exactly who was officially in & who was out of S7 for sure. I doubt until then they really considered a CS TLK as a milestone that was needed before it was “too late”- & tbh, at that point, with all the other CS = TL tropes they’ve used, they probably didn’t feel they had to dumb it down any further & instead went with plan A of bookending Emma’s arc with Henry TLKing her to ‘bring her back from the dead’, the same way she did for him in the S1 finale.
As for what will happen in S7 with Hook- who knows…. [/spoiler] probably some version of what has already been done, which is likely to riddled with plot holes &/or retcons of his established story lol.
IMO- I can’t see how Emma, Killian, Snow, Charming or Regina would be living HEA if adult Henry is living like he is away from them (assumably estranged)- but that fact seems to have escaped A&E totally *shrug* I don’t have high hopes for S7 & no plans to watch it at this stage, so it’s not of concern to me personally what they do *sigh*[/spoiler]Hopefully the spoiler codes haven’t changed & they work on my post- if they have & don’t, sorry.
[adrotate group="5"]Oh on that (and yes I know this thread isn’t a Hook/Belle thread but) I read people are thinking Hook and Belle are going to get together! No no no. How do people even think that??? Hook had just said he’s going to spend at least a century trying to save the woman he loves. He is definitely not one to get over his loves very easily.
Yeah, I saw some comments like that as well- I just don’t get how some people arrive at those kinds of conclusions, it takes a whole other level of not grasping reality to arrive at that conclusion from those scenes lol :p
Maybe if Killian hadn’t broken it off so soon, Emma may have had a chance to really get into it and let the light take over, she wanted more when he pulled back.
Agreed! Just this once it’d have been nice for Killian to just ‘go with it’ & not worry about where Emma is at lol :p But I guess then we wouldn’t have the 5A/5B? arc, so of course they were going to throw obstacles in the way of & change the rules slightly to prevent TLK working (which is why I guess they haven’t had Henry TLK her- wondering if we’ll see him attempt it during the 6weeks or not), otherwise it’d be a terribly short season & pointless arc :p
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Not really anything else can be done when one is misinterpreting what the story has clearly shown to be true- for instance I saw on another site yesterday a small group of people that can’t seem to get over the fact that Belle & Hook are friends now, so simply refuse to see the friendship & are all shocked at why they are talking to each other, despite the fact that that the show has clearly shown their friendship to be cannon since S4 at the very least.
It’s no different with you & CS from what I’m reading- If you don’t want to see it (or choose not to), you won’t & you’ll be disappointed &/or shocked at it happening, those that are following the story being told aren’t disappointed or shocked, as it’s all laid out for them so of no surprise.CS has potential, but I don’t think that potential has quite been reached yet. If Emma did have feelings for Hook, I think the writers needed to make that more clear using Emma’s character rather than playing on the ambiguous “does she/doesn’t she” side. They should have made it clear that Emma does have feelings for Hook but is too afraid to admit it to him so it then becomes “will she/won’t she”.
Of course the potential of CS hasn’t been reached yet- it’s a story still in the process of being told, it took over 2 seasons for them to go a date & they haven’t moved past hand holding, french kissing & “I love you” yet, it’s a story very much in its infancy still.
Maybe you just need to rewatch the scenes you are misinterpreting & look at them in a new context or with fresh eyes… there was very little ‘will they/won’t they’ going on in 3B- most of the time Hook was trying to get her to talk & open up about running away- Emma was the one jumping to “them” most of the time- the few times he tried to get answers on where “they” stood- Emma wouldnt give him a yes or no, she’d listen, give him sass, change the subject, flirt or walk off, if it was deep/hitting close to home, she’d pull back & walk off, then next scene or episode she’s back to pairing up with him again or flirting with him- by mid 3B it was her telling Killian she “wanted more”, so they had Emma flat out stating some of what you are saying you couldn’t see & they should have done, in the actual show from 3B to mid S4- so it’s hard to get clearer than that.
I will be blunt here- there is no “IF” Emma has feelings for Hook, saying “if” is flat out ignoring cannon & the story being presented each week- it makes as much sense as saying IF Snow has feelings for Charming or IF Belle has feelings for Rumple, it is an irrelevant statement to make as the show is perfectly up front on all of the main 4 couples feelings for one another- they have them otherwise they wouldn’t be the 4 main couples.
The story itself (kissing, spending time with one another/dating, risking their lives to save the other, seeking each other out, jealous of close opposit sex friendships, Emma telling Hook she cares about him & is scared of losing him if she admits her feelings, Emma telling both Hook & AR Regina she loves Hook) is more than perfectly clear that she has “feelings.”But like you say- agree to disagree.
I know there probably isn’t anyone here, but I thought I’d pop in and post anyway (it took me forever to find this thread again, though).
I got over all the crap on these forums, but I do miss the fun conversations & good people that used to frequent this wonderful thread. I’ll just pop my 2 cents in for what they are worth 😉
There’s been some talk about how CS can’t be True Love now since the kiss didn’t break the Dark One curse
I actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly.
For all we know it had actually started to work, but when Killian pulled away & asked if she was OK, Emma didn’t kiss him again to finish removing it because her desire for the power kicked in again- which would mean the dark one curse would quickly over take her again, just like it did with Rumple.
It makes sense that by the time we are SB & Killian tried to TLK Emma that it doesnt work- as just like Rumple- Emma’s addiction to the power is stronger for her love of Killian…. otherwise TLK would have broken Rumple’s DO curse one of the many, many times we’ve seen Rumple & Belle kiss already.
It feels like the writers have tried to fast track CS into true love status without giving it proper set up.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- totally disagree with this statement- good lord! CS is the slowest moving ship on Once:
Snowing ~ married, established TL status, has 2 kids & a grandchild.
Rumbelle ~ married, establised TL status.
OutlawQueen ~ established Soul-mates, are dating & having sex (don’t know their living arrangements yet)
CaptainSwan ~ dating & kissing …..
They are taking their time to SHOW us a new fairy tale romance.
To call or even suggest CS is “fast-moving” is laughable. They have known each other for a good 2yrs now- Killian has known Emma for 3 (since he didn’t forget a year), so the fact they are still only at first base means they are taking it slow by anyone’s standards.
Throughout season 2, Hook’s behaviour has been very self-centred, so long as he was alright he didn’t give a crap about anyone else.
Given he was supposed to be a villain he wasn’t exactly meant to be the poster child for virtuousness now was he :p
In Neverland he and Neal were in a tug of war over Emma, even though Emma told them to pack it in, yet Hook just kept pushing and not in the good way. (Admittedly during the early part of the Neverland arc, I kept going back and forth between Hook and Neal over who would be the better man for Emma).
Actually she didn’t tell them to pack it in until the end & both pretty much did after that.
Emma was flirting with Hook & Hook genuinely wanted to get to know Emma- hardly a crime. The problem with Neal is Emma didn’t want to be around him… again, she loved him, but being around him hurt her too deeply, that isn’t Hook’s fault.
In 3B Emma wasn’t interested romantically yet Hook kept pushing then suddenly at the end Emma is suddenly kissing him.
That’s not correct- Emma was inviting him in, she acted flirty a couple of times with him, she asked him to watch Henry & they bantered. They developed their friendship even further.
Killian was more concerned with Emma wanting to run away from SB, her family & him. It’s not like Emma told him to back off- she chose to give up her magic to save him etc. Again not a crime.
CS doesn’t feel like it should be romantic quite yet, it seems like the getting to know each other phase has been missed out
This opinion has been entirely disproven on the show as well- from S2 through to S4 we’ve seen Emma & Killian learning about each other & often simply “knowing” how the other feels/thinks/needs/ having S1 Snowing level intuition about the other (most of your problems seem to be a misinterpretation of 3B Hook- he knew Emma was hiding from her feelings about everything- home, family, friendships & yes him- she could have straight up told him “I’m not interested” but she didn’t, because she was, she just could come out & admit it to herself as she was scared of it, them & him being taken away if she did- like Snowing, Emma & Killy tend to know when the other is lying, hiding things or what the other is feeling )- we’ve seen them seek each other out for comfort & advice- Emma likes to go to the docks to think these days (Hook’s haunt) & Killian’s often seen in Granny’s thinking (Emma’s haunt). We’ve seen them go on their 1st date, just hanging out together, having lunch, coffee or drinks together or even just dropping lunch off for the other etc. We’ve actually seen more of them just being “friends” (1 & bit seasons), than we have them being more than friends ( 3/4 of a single season). They are actually slower then Snowing or Rumbelle when it comes to “showing” them getting to know each other- we’ve had 3 seasons of it now & have only been together for less than 1 of those 3!
Hook’s just been chasing Emma until she’s given in
If thats the case- Charming chased Snow until she gave in- Rumple chased Milah until she caved in- Rumple entrapped Belle until she gave in- Neal took advantage of Emma until she gave in- Robin chased Regina until she gave in *rolls eyes*
I must admit I loved that Killian walked away from Dark Swans advances as well (at least in that instance), it shows how much he values, respects & loves Emma that he wouldn’t take advantage of her despite how willing she is, while feeling she is not in her right mind & could regret it later.
I also felt very sorry for Emma being lonely & on the outside looking again- it’s like she’s regressed back to S1E01 Emma- all alone & unable to bring herself to genuinely let people in again 🙁
The biggest kick in the guts for me was seeing both of the tables in her house only having 2 chairs each- I seriously hope the DO curse gets broken by midseason- but I have a feeling they’ll draw it out until the season finale :/
Oh & POM,, when you do get finished with your fic, please do post a link here- I’d be interested in reading it 🙂
Obisgirl can you pretty please post a link to your fic as well? I want to read it when Once finishes for the season 🙂What do you think about, instead of Hook cheating on Emma with Milah, Milah thinks Emma has stolen her man since Hook told her that he has moved on with Emma?
That could be a very interesting twist.
You also have the fact that Milah was pretty much just a plot device to connect Rumple, Hook & Neal together & get Hook to SB/EF in current time, which gives you so much more room to play with her character & what she would or would not do/ how she would or would not react etc.On Hook’s celibacy, this has always been very difficult for me to judge because we haven’t really seen canon proof that he was ever unfaithful to Milah’s memory. Now we know he was running errands for Pan, buying cupcakes and sweets in general to keep the Lost Boy’s fed, but for all we know, that’s how these trips worked. Business as usual. I can’t see Hook using this time for a little dalliance. Maybe a little R&R, like what we saw in the tavern. Beer, just chilling. But no dalliances.
I kind of agree and disagree. He took Emma back to his ship and I believe that was with the intention of sex. This Hook was pre-Emma Hook so it wouldn’t be because it was Emma as such. I don’t think Hook necessarily slept around as much as he could’ve or as much as would be expected of a pirate but I do think if a particular woman caught his eye occasionally, he might have engaged in a one night stand every now and then. Hook has been portrayed as a bit of a womaniser pre-Emma so I don’t think he was 100% celibate between Milah’s death and meeting Emma but he wasn’t putting it out there at every opportunity.
I agree with both points- as Obisgirl mentions, there is nothing in cannon that shows Hook was actually having ‘relations’, with other women while on his quest for vengeance- yes he was… appreciating the company of women, but it doesn’t follow he was automatically sleeping with any of them either, for all we know, his reputation of being a ladies man/womaniser, came from him paying off women or even getting them drunk, to the point they simply dont remember what happened- he tell Emma “If I didn’t know any better, I’d think you’re trying to get me drunk, which is usually my tactic.” Now it is possible he was talking about ‘business’, since we all know excessive alcohol consumption lowers inhibitions, but he could have been talking about bar wenches as well- for all we know, they got drunk with him & he either left them sleeping or they simply talked until they fell asleep.
We also have the fact that when Emma walked up to Hook & Co. while they were playing dice- Hook with a women on each side of him; a few moments later we see just Hook & Emma sitting alone together drinking at the table, which means Emma walks up & a few moments later (as long as it takes for Killian to walk out of the tavern & board the JR, then stop Smee smushing a rat), Hook has sent off the others (both women included)- if it’s just a one night stands he’s interested in having, why would he bother sending off the other wenches, he’d be increasing his odds if he kept all 3 ladies with him- especially as he kept checking to see IF Emma “wanted” to go to his ship with him.The other side of me feels that it makes sense that after a decade or 2- let-a-lone a century or 2, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could indeed have had the occasional one night stand- especially if drunk & lonely, because Milah was dead & Hook/Killian was stuck in his prime for hundreds of years… thats a long time for any man to … abstain from relations, let alone a lonely, broken hearted, widowed pirate 😉 We do have Hook say to Emma (whether truthfully or not), …”Come back with me for a night cap or shall I find someone else” …. So maybe when he got drunk & lonely, he did indeed have one nighters (& then probably felt terrible about it the next morning 😉 ). I would also parallel Emma’s story as well- after Neal, all she had was one nighters.
As far as using Emma as an example of what Hook’s actions were likely to have been, I dont feel it is a good or even ideal representation at all.
Emma & Killian have a much deeper connection than normal (she felt she could trust & even love him, to the point it scared her into double crossing him not long after meeting him) & I’m certain we will find out they are TL or SM sooner rather than later (I had this next part worded so well before & now I’m going to butcher it as badly has the previous stuff *sigh*).
Just like Snowing probably wouldn’t have risked her own life & that of her unborn baby, splitting her heart to save Charming if he wasn’t her TL, Or Regina managing to harness Light Magic thanks to Henry’s TL for her, Killian said, had he remembered Emma, “he would have gone after her”, which by default means, he would have given up his centuries long quest for vengeance, had he remembered at all, his encounter Emma that night, by the same token, Emma knew intrinsically that she would be safe with Hook- even as his worst self, then we have Killian, willing to go to the ends of the world, or time for her ….. that isnt normal, thats a whole other level of connection IMO.We know for sure nothing sexual happened while in Neverland. (There is Tink, but I get a more big brother/little sister vibe). Other than that, I don’t see where anything could have happened.I disagree about the big brother/little sister vibe for the reason that in The New Neverland, after Hook had “stepped back” to allow Neal a chance with Emma, he tried it on with Tinkerbell. I don’t think that would’ve been something Hook would do towards a woman he viewed as a “little sister”. I think something happened in Neverland between them but I don’t think it was anything deep and meaningful. Possibly a “friends with benefits” type deal?
I have to disagree to the friends with benefits thing- I dont think Tink & Hook interacted enough nor intimately enough for that to have ever happened- why would Pan let Hook form any sort of attachment with Tink & visa-versa- there is no way IMO, Pan would want Tink linked to Hook in that way, or risk her becoming more loyal to Hook, than himself.
If if they did have a friends with benefit’s kind of deal, Hook would have taken Tink with them when they left, but he didnt, so I get the feeling they encountered each other when & as Pan allowed & not a lot more, so while they didnt love each other, they had no reason to hate each other either type of relationship, so it was more of a ‘they were both simply pawns of Pan & knew it’, type of acquaintanceship.What I think is interesting about the Hook/Milah situation in my fic is that it’s not just some random woman, it’s Milah. Of course Hook would never cheat on Emma with a random woman. But Milah was his first great love so her showing up again puts him in a spin. What I am wary of is I don’t want it to look like Hook is pressurising Emma into sex and then getting it elsewhere because Emma won’t sleep with him then it having connotations of being “Emma’s fault”. What I’m going for is Hook gets drunk, Hook makes a bad judgement, Hook regrets it then has to deal with the consequences.
Bottom line for me is, Killian’s character is such, he simply wouldnt have a one night stand when it comes to Emma- Milah or no Milah, Emma & he share a special connection, & if he’s not going to have a one night stand to honour his feelings for Emma, despite the fact he isnt even officially with Emma in a romantic relationship capacity at that stage, let-a-lone ever likely to see her again, he sure as oats is not going to risk loosing her by sleeping with another women- even if he did once love her 300yrs ago, when he’s actually in a relationship with Emma.
IMO, you cant take what happened with Tink & apply it to while he’s with Emma, as Killian & Emma were not together at that stage- in fact they had only spent 2 weeks working together & while there was a super strong attraction & connection- Emma was walls all up & fighting her feelings thanks to her horrible past with Neal & having Neal right there in her face dragging all that up again for her- they were not together & Emma had given him no affirmative indication she would ever be ready for a relationship, let-a-lone with him, until she got jealous of Tink & Hook coming out of Granny’s together.
There is also a possibility (given Tink’s reaction), that Killian knew full well Tink would reject sleeping with him & thats why he asked her if she wanted to be his drinking buddy (remember it’s Tink assuming he means more than drinking & he knows, she knows, he loves Emma, as she spends so much time pointing it out to us 😉 ).Problem is, going down the “cheating” path ends in one of two ways- either Hook comes off at fault, as he just wants sex, which Emma wont give him, so he gets it elsewhere (which is just not in OUaT’s version of Hook’s nature, at all). Or Emma comes off at fault, as she is stringing him along kind of thing (which is just not Emma’s style at all).
I think the premise of your story is interesting (without the cheating part), but adding in Hook cheating on Emma (no matter who it is with), because she’s not ready for sex, is totally OOC. Killian straight up simply would not put Emma through it, as he knows she has massive trust issues & he knows it would cost him their relationship IMO. He is far to sensitive & focused on Emma’s well-being, to consider putting his own physical needs (which frankly he can deal with himself if needs be), before her emotional needs.Ugh! just lost my post, dang it all!
Anyway…
hey all! Wow, the thread “exploded” over the last few days! Well, in comparison to lately. I, too, have pretty much given up on the site as a whole, the negativity is a little out of control. There’s concrit and then there’s negativity. I actually have a tumblr – and I think actually follow all/most of you! Maybe someday I’ll actually post stuff on it… And don’t forget to definitely check out everyone’s fanfiction on ff.net and ao3. Obis’ latest chapter of her current story is up — and oh my god, I’m so intrigued by how her story’s going to continue! You had me at the edge of my seat at the end! POM – interesting idea. I would warn you though, that particular storyline is going to really hit a nerve with CSers, even if that’s not the point (and I’m sure it isn’t, especially if, like you said it’s only one part of a larger storyline). Like any other ship CSers are extremely sensitive toward their characters, so there could be backlash depending on the audience. (And I only say that because I wouldn’t want you to feel attacked in any way but you know how our fandom is sometimes). If it’s well written, tight and utterly important to the overally storyline, CSers could follow but it’s a tricky line to walk. But I definitely want to know when/where you post because the idea of the story being about all of the characters, especially Henry, definitely sounds great! As to how it ends, I really don’t know. In my opinion, on the show, Milah could come strolling down the street and though Hook would be happy she’s alive, I don’t believe he’d feel there’s even a choice to be made. Emma is it. I personally could get why Emma might not want to jump into a physical relationship, but I also don’t believe for a second Hook would pressure her or be upset about that – how he treats women then and now, especially Emma, is integral to his character progression, so I don’t think he’d be unfaithful no matter the situation. Hook spent 300 years wanting to avenge Milah’s death (have a whole other opinion on that but way off topic!) – but he wasn’t celibate. Emma and Hook were never even technically in a relationship when he got sent back to the EF, but they made it clear he didn’t even look at another woman, much less ‘spend time’ with one.
Agree with Jenna.
Will write out my 2cents on the interesting discussion that is going on atm- just have to remember how I worded everything I had written :p
The discussions we used to have here, is what I miss about this place (I rarely post on tumblr, as you dont get the back & forth the same way as you do in an actual forum type situation), we had a lot of intelligent people who brought lots of new insights to scenes & plot lines, which was fun- we did have some of the most awesome conversations here before this whole forum became a pool of negativity & got a rep for being an anti-fan site :/
As an aside- why do I get “New Message” flash up on this tab, yet there is no new message on the thread or PM?
Well I did pop into say howdy to my CS shipmates here, but it seems this thread is pretty much dead now, most/all have left for far more positive & less hostile waters- sad really, as this used to be great place to hang out, until the nasty got what they wanted & chased away many really nice people *sigh*.
To any lurking CS’ers out there- Howdy 😀 & maybe I’ll see you on one of the other great groups where we are respected & no out right or passive aggressive bashing of a certain awesome Pirate or our beautiful ship goes on 🙂
Just because this thread needs some love & something pretty darn awesome to tide it over until CS is cannon as being TRUE LOVE on show 😉
You are perfect
I have seen this quote applied from Killian to Emma, but I believe is perfect the other way around. Because Emma isn’t turning a blind eye or whitewashing his actions, she is supporting the man he is trying to be the best she can:
“I love what you are, what you do, how you try…”
“I’ve seen your kindness,
“and your strength,
“I’ve seen the best
“and the worst of you
“and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are.
You’re a hell of a man (or a captain)”.& for scientific purposes 😉
“If you’re afraid of losing your happy ending, that means you found it… What is it?”
http://killianemmaa.tumblr.com/post/116284649335/captainswansource-if-youre-afraid-of-losing
But back to the FB group- it is fantastic there, I’m just LOVING being able to actually discuss the show itself & our OTP within the show & not having to moderate or apologise for loving it so much- no elephant in the room or crickets chirping when Hook/Killian or CS is mentioned- in fact those threads/posts tend to explode with discussion (much like the latest E09 spoiler & BTS pics are doing atm- esp the ones pertaining to CS).
THANK YOU for verbalizing what I’ve been feeling for months now. I’m really tired of walking on eggshells around here and having to feel apologetic for loving my OTP and the show. But I’m not giving up on this thread yet because we’ve had some really good discussions here and we CSers have been supportive of each other (and because some of the stuff we’ve posted on here has been HILARIOUS!) Hope you come back soon @surayya.
You are welcome 😉
I havent planned on totally giving up on this site either- but good lord did/do I need a rest from it LOL :p
I’ve stuck this place out & tried my hardest to keep things going despite all the crap- I’ve been here since ep 05-06 or 07 of S1, so I havent given it up lightly, I used to love this place a lot! Now it just wears me down :/ One does start to wonder why they bother trying so hard to keep things active, when no one seems to be around at all & outside of this one thread isnt exactly a positive environment to be someone whom enjoys & wants to discuss their A) Love the show, B) Love of CS with in the context of the show or C) Actually, you know- like or love of Killian 😉I’ve not totally given up on the place yet, but I do prefer having intelligent conversation with people whom arent just looking to pick holes in everything & dont give a toss about canon, they just hate for the sake of hating & for the sake of crying over their Neal shrines after every episode (I’m sorry if thats a little harsh to any Neal/SF fans lurking & reading this). But seriously!? It isnt fair on this site anymore & it hasnt been for a long while now- if you ship CS or love Killian & say so, you are pretty much treated like a second class citizen on this site & it’s really that simple (unless it’s spontaneously changed in the last 2 weeks & if it has great, it’ll make coming back easier 😉 ).
I get some people here are still upset about Neal dying, I really do- but frankly I’m sick of being dragged down & having my enjoyment of the show diminished, because I’m trying to be understanding & respectful of those whom loved & lost a fictional character a good 8mths ago now, yet have those same people not do the same in kind, by showing understanding & respect for the character/s & ship I love- bottom line is- passive aggressive hate & nit picking, is still hating & nit picking.
The injustice of it all really started to get to me & honestly, I wanted to discuss more about the show than just my OTP sometimes 😉I hope to come back soon, but not just yet 😉
Here’s 2 gif sets for the road to put a smile on everyone’s dial 🙂 (hopefully they havent already been posted here, if they have sorry! 🙂 )
4 seasons in and they only just decided to make a set for Emma’s bedroom.
Gee, I wonder why that is.Fingers crossed.
Although I think this gif may have suited the above better 😉
:p
