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Is there an “Alternate Universe Time Loop For Dummies” book?
This is confusing, and hurts my brain.LOL- I know what you mean…. I will let my geek out & define the temporal paradoxes of time travel as I know them 😉
- Causality (Cause comes before effect- ie. In the flow of time, the effect (Emma) would exist before the cause (her birth).
- The grandfather paradox (You change the past but you’ll instantly feel the alteration, as will your ancestors & descendants. Ie. If your past self dies, your future self will die, as will all your decedents, along with your bio family changing- since you are no longer in it).
- Consistent causal loop (You can travel back, but you always did, so nothing changes. Ie. Any changes you make, you have already made, so the future doesnt change).
- Distorted probability (You can travel back but you can’t change anything, no matter how hard you try. Ie. you try to shoot someone, but the gun wont fire or you trip/ are pushed etc & the end result is you fail every-time you try).
- Parallel universe (You can change the past, but you’ll just create a brand new timeline/AU. Ie. You kill ‘someone’, but it doesnt change your own future, it only creates a ‘new’ future where that ‘someone’ is now dead).
The only way I can see there being any point to time travel having any meaning for our characters is if they go with the grandfather paradox- so the characters we have now, travel back to try stop Z from changing the reality we have now.
[adrotate group="5"]Questions- (this is sooooooo why I hate shows going into time travel lol)
1) Whats the point of Z creating a AU? As that would mean Z doesnt get what she wants anyway- she seems to umm… unstable to want another version of her self to get what she wants to be hers now? + we’d then have 2 of everyone- reality versions & AR versions all existing at the same time.
2) So who would raise baby Z? Snowings child replacing babyZ, doesnt = baby Z being raised by Cora, as Z was born before Cora married into royalty- thats why Cora gave her up….
3) If Z took his brains in the old reality- why would he be brainless in the new reality? There’d be 2 versions of Rumple, the one who’d already had his brains taken & the one AU one that hadn’t… (cause & effect has to come into play- the cause has to happen Before the effect)
4) I thought part of why Z is doing what she’s doing is for Rumples love? & again cause & effect for Charming- the cause (taking courage) has to happen before the effect (becomes cowardly). If AU Charming hasnt had his courage stolen (it’s still intact), why would the courage Z has affect him?
5) If its a AU, why would new Emma, know what reality Emma knew? Creating a new reality means you’d have to have 2 versions of everyone (as I mentioned before- they’d be separate & distinct timelines, so what happens in one, wont effect the other), meaning all the causes happening in real time now, would have no effect in the new AU, as the causes have yet to happen to those AU versions of our characters. The only way around it, is to have Z going back & causing changes to her own reality- so that she herself, along with everyone & thing in our/this current reality, will be effected by those changes, which in turn means it is actually vitally important that the current/our reality characters try to stop her, as she will be changing them.
Personally I wouldn’t care if she went back in time & created a AU (whole new version of events), as how does that effect our reality & the characters we already care about now? It doesnt, it only effects the people in the new AU she creates- in this reality Z will simply be ‘gone’ out of the time line into the past & therefore be out of our hair (since all her meddling will just create a new AU), but Charming, Regina & Rumple will be minus their bit’s 😉
6) If people remember their previous selves (before time tampering happened)- why wouldnt they remember it after time had been tampered with- ie. Hook would already know Emma, Emma would already know Hook, Snowing would know Hook & he them, Hook would also know what Regina & Cora become later on, so why work for them? the list goes on & on & gets very messy/ gaping plot hole territory :/
Not saying what you are proposing cant or couldnt happen, just they’d have to have hard & fast ‘rules’ of cause & effect/ AU (new separate & distinct version of events with whole new set of characters as the out come) vs altered reality (only one timeline which can be altered & therefore affects our current characters/universe).
I just dont see the point in time travel if the stakes are not high for our actual characters & this timeline.
Stereotypes and archetypes and classics vs modern lit…I get all of it. But for once I’d like to see a story about magic without the cautionary tale. What if good does have magic in this realm? How does a ‘normal’ person handle that? If you have a gift and use it for good then why does there have to be a price to pay? In Emma’s case, I think she’s paid the ‘price’ 100fold at this point. She was abandoned by her parents, lost in ‘the system,’ believed for a long time that she was abandoned by Neal (No I know, he didn’t but she thought he didand it did contribute), felt forced to give up Henry and the list goes on. For Emma, it would be nice to see magic is actually a gift – for all the things she had to experience before she even knew magic existed.
Agreed.
Although the flip side could be, if you have good/light magic- the ‘price’ you pay is in not using it (hence could be part of the reason for Emma’s crappy life until SB)- kind of the polar opposite of ‘dark’ magic, where the ‘price’ is paid for using it.
Hmm, Maybe that’s some of the reason Blue went all ‘you shall not be a fairy’ on Green/Tink- she thought Tink helping Regina may cross the line into ‘dark’ magic eventually & therefore come at a cost to the fairies or something?
Magic only comes with a price if you are a good person if you are bad nothing happens you can throw all the fire balls etc and never pay a price. This saying Magic always comes with a a Price isn’t true. Example: RH using the Wand to save his baby instead of his wife or baby dieing nothing happens.
I thought he said his wife died because of him?- maybe the price of using the wand/magic was her life for the baby?
in the end in order for Emma to save her Family, she must give up her ‘life’ as a fairytale princess with magical powers and become just a regular human being. She will bring all her friends and Family with her out of Storybrook which will then seize to exist. This will be the resurrection into the real World.
The reverse of this could also be true (since what Emma actually “wants” is to be “normal” & surrounded by her family – so getting that hardly seems a ‘price’ for her to pay- more a reward 😉 ), she has to give up her dream/desire to have a nice ‘normal’ life & instead actually embrace being a FTL princess & savior- finally accepting her true self- both the real world & the FTL parts & embracing her enchanted life.
And because the magic comes from Light and Good, and therefore, is not used for Dark or even selfish reasons, there is no price.
I do like this idea- So far the price of magic thing has come from Rumple- but his powers come from darkness, so maybe there is a price to magic IF you use it for selfish purposes/ taking the easy option, over the ‘right/light’ way. Ie- Rumple murdered a man to gain magical powers- his becoming the DO could be considered as the price paid for the act of murder. I find it hard to buy into the whole ‘price of magic concept’, because the price is so easily recovered 99% of the time. Rumple goes on to blow up fairies, but doesnt seem to pay a price for that at all personally, he turns people into bugs & murders them & also doesnt seem to pay a price- it only seems to be those who do ‘deals’ with him that ‘pay a price’ & maybe very ‘big’ acts of magic or very selfish acts ie. Regina casting curse = empty heart {which was filled by Henry- so that was a pointless price to pay} Rumple bringing magic to SB = cant leave town without loosing memories- but he worked around it, so again pretty pathetic price, casting curse 2.0= Regina never seeing Henry again- price doesnt seem very pricey either since they are all back in SB & as soon as Henry remembers, that price too becomes null & void. The only price that has been ‘real’ & of any value IMO is Rumple loosing Neal/Bae- that being a ‘cost’ of using magic makes it real & dangerous, which actually ups the stakes of using magic 100 fold IMO- but then again look at how much evil Rumple had to evoke, over a very long period of time to get to that price :/
The whole price of magic doesnt really make much sense to me personally- I see it as more of the cost of dealing with darkness/ evil, than dealing with magic itself- ie. To me magic is like a gun, You can have magic & not use it & it will just sit there doing nothing, but it can be used with good intentions/purposes (protecting people/preventing ‘bad’ things from happening to people) & the ‘cost’ to the user is nothing more than their time to use it for good, or it can be used with ill intentions/ evil deeds (acts of selfishness/ to harm others/ to gain power/control over others) in which case the cost to the user is eventual corruption & or losing those they love to it eventually (be it by there own hand/corruption or those they have wronged catching up with them)- but in either case its not the ‘gun/magic’ itself that has the cost attached- it is how it used by the ‘handler/wielder’ that costs said person in the long run (ie. do good deeds & receive good karma in return, do bad deeds & receive bad karma in return)- if that makes sense?
he “splashy” wedding is supposed to be the season finale, so I don’t think this wedding is THAT wedding
I hope so :/ Was it an official ‘spoiler’ direct from A&E or is it from another source? (I dont remember the specifics now) Bit weary of anything not direct from A or E, since we’ve had the rug pulled from under us with ‘indirect’ sources of information already 🙁
Ah, so does she seduce him and then make him think she is pregnant with HIS baby. I bet that’s it!!! She pretends it’s his baby but he won’t accept her because she is a peasant so she gives Zelena away. Then she comes years later to destroy his wedding, after she is already royalty, by telling Ava about the baby. But Ava forgives him because it was before her but is upset with him that he never supported his own child simply because Cora was a peasant. Hence the lecture to Snow about how they are no better than servants. But Cora remains bitter because Ava becomes Queen before she will so that’s why she poisons her so Regina can be Queen. Cora must blackmail Leo so he has to marry Regina and that’s why he could never stand her.
I could buy into that- nice theory & it would neatly tie up a number of loose ends.
Anybody going to cheat and read all the spoilers from the Wondercon screening on Saturday?
Without a shadow of a doubt 😉
I think we’re gonna see the Eva/Leo wedding in this ep. That dress looks like a wedding dress to me, and those big towers of white flowers look like wedding decorations.
If we see a splashy wedding I’m gonna feel ripped of- just saying Rumbelle, OutlawQueen both have my votes there (although I think Rumbelle deserve it more- 3seasons & they’ve spent more of it apart than together- be it physically or mentally/memory loss etc.), they better not pull a fast one on us :/
Definitely looks like she is getting Regina’s heart this episode though my guess is that it is towards the end. So she can technically control Regina now as well?
Yep- which is all kinds of bad- she’ll have herself, Rumple & Regina on her side- beyond me why she thinks Emma can stop all 3 of them combined- ‘Savior’ must be an empty title after all! 😉
This episode confuses me lol.
took the words right out of my mouth there!
You know you’ve been watching a Fairy Tale show too long when you find yourself saying “I’m tired of memory potions, can’t it be something else?”
LOL
Wait. I just went back and watched all the scenes from The Miller’s Daughter that have Princess Ava in them. It is pretty clear that she was there to hopefully marry Prince Henry and join their two kingdoms together. If that is the case the scenes with Cora, Leo, and Ava can’t be before the Miller’s daughter because Ava wasn’t married during the Miller’s a Daughter. So that means that Cora really is royalty at that point and is married to Prince Henry.
That was my impression from the stills & promo- but now I dont know what to think- so many theories!
Look at Emma dressed all girly and whatnot…thank goodness, I was NOT loving last ep’s Lumberjack Look.
Yes I noted that as well- I really like it
And she’s matching her outfit’s to Killy’s eyes.
Lol- good catch, I didnt notice that 😉
Maybe Rumple cursed his own lips and he is purposely kissing Zelena so that her magic will taken away just like she threatened with with Hook. She would still have his dagger but at least HER powers would be gone. She does look really unhappy in one of the pictures.
Great idea! I like it 🙂
Why is Rumple being molested by his daughter?????
*shudders* Gross- just gross! However I dont think she is his daughter, as she had to use his blood to open his safe- if she was his daughter, she wouldnt have needed his blood- unless she doesnt know who her father is…. Ugh! I cant even think that… its just wrong on every level!
Rumple isn’t the father. The PR and these pics confirm that. You can’t still think Rumple is the father after these pics. ONCE isn’t going to cross THAT line.
Thank goodness!
Very emotional! Speaking of songs, I came across this little gem yesterday, it’s cute and I thought quite apt.
That was a cute song. Who sings it? I thought it was very apt for Hook.
It’s by a singer called Appleonia, it’s called “Lost At Sea”.
Wow, that’s uncanny! Even the name is apt!
