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I won’t lie to you, guys. That was a pretty depressing episode. This is not how I wanted the “triangle” to be resolved. Not that I ever thought of it as a triangle. I’m truly going to miss Neal.
Awww, hugs & cookies for you. Sorry you lost a Neal, it was not the way any of us wanted a love triangle resolved either 🙁
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I really love this one, as it’s the 1st thing that popped into my head when she said that to him lol
Since we know Hook and Henry are going to have a scene together (I think it’s next episode), I bet Henry is going to ask Hook about Neal, what he was like, etc
I hope so, it’d be nice if Killian teaches Henry about star maps etc. & say’s it’s something that he & Neal/his father used to do together a long time ago 🙂
I’m not sure Hook knew how in danger Neal was. I assume the conversations between the were short – I don’t know that Hook could have known about the whole Neal actually succeeding in rising Rumple-but-now-they-share-a-body? I’m still trying to wrap my head around the whole 2nd part of the episode. I’m guessing the message was pretty much – this is Neal, Emma’s in danger, go get her and left the details up to Hook, knowing Hook would figure something out?
That’s my guess too & hopefully what we’ll have answered shortly- Exactly how he got that memory potion & how he got back to our world without losing his memories to the WW’s new curse.
Hello everyone. I’ve never posted to these forums before, but I was surprised to see so many negative responses to the events in this episode (by people whose opinions I respect and have usually agreed with in my time lurking here) that I just wanted to post my own two cents. In my opinion this episode (while it had some story-contrivances unavoidable in even the best tv-shows) had some of the best writing and some of the strongest themes of the series so far. To me the themes of the series are indeed hope, as well as redemption, love, healing and sacrifice. Rumplestiltskin’s quest for his son has been a defining aspect of his character for a long time. When he let go of his son’s hand in the Enchanted Forest because he was afraid to let go of his power, it became a wound he was desperate to heal. He searched for his son for hundreds of years, being willing to sink to the lowest depths to reach him. He may have let go of Bae’s hand, he never gave up hope on one day meeting him again. And against all odds, hundreds of years later, Bae was still alive. And Rumple found him. Yet his attempts at healing the rift between them had mixed results at best, and so when Bae was thought dead last season, Rumple lost it completely. He thought he had failed his son. Bae had died without knowing his father loved him, without forgiving him, without believing in him. It was devastating. And again, father and son were given a new chance. Bae was alive. And Rumple learned a valuable lesson. When he first found Bae again, he told him he could change him into a child again. They could start over. It’s not what Baelfire wanted. He had lived a life that was longer than most people. He didn’t want to start all over. No, Rumple did not need to change Bae. He needed to change himself. And he did. By sacrificing himself to save his family and kill Pan. This was a sacrifice that was in no way without meaning. It showed not only Bae, but the entire town, that he had more courage in him than anyone had given him credit for. (Except for Belle, who believed in him all along already, awww…) Cue “quiet minds” in which Bae, now desperate to get back to his own son, throws all caution to the wind and risks everything. As Belle points out, he makes the same mistake his father made. And in doing so, he finally truly understands him. They become one, in more ways than just the creepy body-switching CGI we’ll see later. Bae I’m sure realizes his mistake once he sees the burn-mark on his hand. But hope prevails. This time Rumple refuses to let go of him. This time he chooses to gives up his power, healing the final rift between him and his son. He does exactly what is needed. What he couldn’t do before. And Bae (oh Bae…) “awakens” in the Enchanted forest, where he is reunited with Emma. And I’m sure it soothes his soul to learn that she is happy. That she is strong enough to move on, despite her love for him. And their son is happy. He now knows the normal live he couldn’t have growing up in Storybrooke. Henry has friends and videogames and icecream. When the time comes to make a choice, Bae chooses to move on. He chooses to be brave, knowing that his sacrifice will help Emma, his son and his father. And he knows that Emma will tell Henry that Neal died a hero.
This time it is true. Some people have complained that Bae’s death scene goes on too long. I completely disagree as every moment here is so incredible important.
Bae tells his father exactly what he needs to hear. What he has needed to hear for several hundreds of years. The culmination of all Rumple has sacrificed.
Bae dies telling his father that he loves him. Even more than that, Bae lets him know he respects him and is inspired by his courage. “Let go” he says. And he’s right. After centuries of holding on to his lost son, it is time for Rumplestiltskin to let go. It is thanks to those words alone that I believe Rumple, despite the pain of losing his son, finally has a chance to begin healing. (Assuming he gets away from the wicked witch first, ofcourse – but that’s an entirely different tale). His son has lived a very long life and died a hero. And he has left behind a family that I’m sure Rumple will now be motivated to protect on his behalf. No matter how much time passes, no matter how terrible the mistakes we make, there’s always a chance for redemption, for forgiveness. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as a “happy ending” (does anything ever truly end?). Life can be harsh and unfair, but hope and love shine through in even the most unlikely of places. And it’s these moments that make everything worthwhile, worth fighting for. That’s what this show is about for me and I can’t wait to see where it will take us next.Love this post & couldnt agree more with you 🙂
I agree that’s possible. But it’s kind of a weak explanation, especially on a TV show were you’re trying to uncover motives and psychological insights into characters. It might be racisim, but was there something that led Hook to feel that way?
True. Hook is a pirate afterall, I’m sure he’s encountered many a mermaid before and given legends about mermaids luring sailors to their death,I doubt they are best friends. There is also the case of Ariel’s mother having been killed by pirates in The Little Mermaid 3. So… Yeah.. That may be some interesting interaction if Hooks ship was the one that killed Queen Athena or if Ariel faults him anyway just for being a pirate. Idea: Perhaps mermaids aren’t that bad. They just hate pirates and sailors. Remember Alice said she and Cyrus swam with mermaids and battled pirates..
That idea fits- animosity on both sides- one in general for a beloved queen’s death, the other as the result of said death, meaning “all sailors & pirates” in general being tared with the same ‘killers/villains’ brush. I like it.
Makes you really appreciate on a whole other level, the heart felt & sincere apology Killian gave Emma lol. He really doesn’t do it very often, nor gracefully 😉 I have a feeling that Emma & Belle are part of a very small group of people there.
From http://ronandhermionesource.tumblr.com/post/81349935213/emma-swan-whippin-it-good
Wait, Emma told Henry (kind of) the truth- that they had come to storybrooke because his father/Neal was in trouble, but it was to late & he died, but she needed Henry to know he was a good man/hero.
So Henry does who he’s there for, even if he doesnt have his memories of him back yet.
Many kids go to funerals where they dont remember or actually know the family member who has passed away. The only thing that makes it especially sad in Henry’s case, is the fact that he really actually does know his father, but cant remember knowing him, so didnt get the chance to say goodbye 🙁
http://perhaps-i-would-swan.tumblr.com/tagged/WHY-DO-THEY-HAVE-THESE-AWFUL-PARALLELS They do have this parallel… it’s sad I know….
I know, it’s sad they both have lost loved ones twice now :'(
