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Saw this old flames to new on http://a-world-of-our-very-own.tumblr.com/post/81317407656/please-let-go
[adrotate group="5"]love how Kitsis worded his response to this Question
TVLINE | Of course, some are choosing to see this as your endorsement of the Emma/Hook ‘ship as canon…. We look at it as: In Emma, you have a character very similar to Regina. These are two characters with walls up, and the only one who got beneath them was Henry. So it’s about their pursuit of allowing love to come in again. They’re both very scarred by it and frightened of it, so for us it’s about watching Emma make a natural evolution to when she does decide to act upon it.
Pretty much what most of us have been saying all along 😉
Just saw this spoiler pic of next weeks ep & I wonder if Emma places the Swan key chain necklace in the ground with Neal? Kind of looks like it in this pic (& because I cant see it in any other pics of her after that- for that episode, although it could be hidden under her clothes or something)
I thought for sure she’d wear it like she does Graham’s shoelace o.O
Love this gif, but it has a potty mouth word in it so will post the link rather than the image 😉
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Had to share this as it was one of my favorite parts of the entire ep Loved the #CaptainFire moment 🙂
This right here is part of why I cant wait for the #CaptainCobra stuff that’s coming 🙂
Yes – all we kept hearing about was CS fan favoring and now i’m hearing that A&E are not ‘hearing’ their fans. This is their show with a story they want to tell… are they going to tweak from the original outline – of course. Any ‘business’ is going to adjust as they go somewhat. its ‘suicide’ to ignore all comments and reviews and to continue the same path. but overall all i think they are doing what they want with the story they are telling… we can watch or not – but i have no idea why people think that writers are their own person story tellers. I feel like telling those people to find like minded writers on fanfiction – if i need a Hook fix – that’s where i head and i find a story thats exactly what i want.
Absolutely agree, grieving I understand, but but taking your hurt & anger of a fictional characters death out on others isnt ok IMO. There is no one to “blame” for Neal’s death, MRJ either needed to leave the show for whatever reasons & they wrote him out, or Neal’s death was planned & he was written out; what is the point of getting septic over it all & insisting on laying blame against people for it- it’s a TV show for crying out loud, Fanfic exists for a reason & it that is PURELY FAN SERVICE.
Jennifer – that article was HILARIOUS. Thank you! I hear you, @Rumplegoldfan. I don’t think people will boycott, @Jennifer. Well…they might. And honestly, if you lose favor with the show, don’t watch, that’s your prerogative, but in the end this is an ensemble show. I like certain characters, love others…except for Pan and the WW, don’t really hate any (and really, I love to hate the WW!) – but I watch the show for the show, not just for Hook and/or CS. If they had killed off my favorite, yes, I’d be mad and sad. But I’d still watch. Because I’m here for the story. I think when you have shows with a large ensemble, you almost have to keep yourself from falling too in love with one character – because anything can happen. It’s not like when it’s the Joe Schmo Show – without Joe Schmo, there is no show…(ok, that’s a lot of rhyming, sorry for that!) I do feel for those that are hurting though. I do hope they come back when they’re ready. I am certainly not trying to belittle anyone’s pain or sadness. I liked Neal, and I am feeling a little spoiled because my favorite was spared. So I am conflicted. I’ve been angry from the beginning that Neal’s storyline felt the least fleshed out and most contrived. Why did he HAVE to leave Emma and let her go to jail? Never got a good answer for that one. What was Neal doing during the 11 years he was separated from Emma/Henry? Dunno, they never really let us know. How are we supposed to understand that he loved Tamara and intended to marry her but loved Emma and wasn’t going to stop fighting? Ok, that’s just sloppy writing. And I am miserable about not getting some quality CaptainFire!! MRJ acted the heck out of what he was given though. People are going to hate what they hate and see what they see. But I liked how they handled Neal in relation to CS in this episode. He seemed…to understand CS, and that it is going to happen. Maybe he knew he was going to die – and I’m not entirely sure he knew…? Maybe because he loves Emma and wants what’s best – and realizes there’s too much that’s happened with him and Emma to really ever go back? I don’t know. But I did get the sense that CS will happen, Neal would be supportive of it, and we will see CS respect and honor the fact that Neal was important to both Emma & Hook. I’m looking forward to Hook & Henry bonding next week…but at the same time, not looking forward to it. You know there’s going to be backlash. But like this episode, I guess you just have to watch out for the hate and dismiss it… I will say, I am quite happy this forum didn’t seem to fall apart at it’s seams after yesterday’s episode. There was a lot of emotion, and it was tense at times, but I didn’t see any real disrespect or accusations when I was on. That made me happy.
Jennifer – that article was HILARIOUS. Thank you! I hear you, @Rumplegoldfan. I don’t think people will boycott, @Jennifer. Well…they might. And honestly, if you lose favor with the show, don’t watch, that’s your prerogative, but in the end this is an ensemble show. I like certain characters, love others…except for Pan and the WW, don’t really hate any (and really, I love to hate the WW!) – but I watch the show for the show, not just for Hook and/or CS. If they had killed off my favorite, yes, I’d be mad and sad. But I’d still watch. Because I’m here for the story. I think when you have shows with a large ensemble, you almost have to keep yourself from falling too in love with one character – because anything can happen. It’s not like when it’s the Joe Schmo Show – without Joe Schmo, there is no show…(ok, that’s a lot of rhyming, sorry for that!) I do feel for those that are hurting though. I do hope they come back when they’re ready. I am certainly not trying to belittle anyone’s pain or sadness. I liked Neal, and I am feeling a little spoiled because my favorite was spared. So I am conflicted. I’ve been angry from the beginning that Neal’s storyline felt the least fleshed out and most contrived. Why did he HAVE to leave Emma and let her go to jail? Never got a good answer for that one. What was Neal doing during the 11 years he was separated from Emma/Henry? Dunno, they never really let us know. How are we supposed to understand that he loved Tamara and intended to marry her but loved Emma and wasn’t going to stop fighting? Ok, that’s just sloppy writing. And I am miserable about not getting some quality CaptainFire!! MRJ acted the heck out of what he was given though. People are going to hate what they hate and see what they see. But I liked how they handled Neal in relation to CS in this episode. He seemed…to understand CS, and that it is going to happen. Maybe he knew he was going to die – and I’m not entirely sure he knew…? Maybe because he loves Emma and wants what’s best – and realizes there’s too much that’s happened with him and Emma to really ever go back? I don’t know. But I did get the sense that CS will happen, Neal would be supportive of it, and we will see CS respect and honor the fact that Neal was important to both Emma & Hook.
THIS!!! Great post 🙂
I don’t think that’s right either. Like I said before, if Hook was killed off I would really have to force myself to continue watching the show but I fell in love with OUaT before I started shipping any of the couples or had a favorite character so I WOULD make myself keep watching. I know that eventually I would get into it again and would find a new couple to probably ship.
I’m exactly the same.
I’m sure I will end up hurting any SF shippers who read this, I don’t mean to but I’m sure I will. We’ve talked a lot about how we often feel like we are watching a completely different show than the SF shippers because we don’t see any of the same things that they see when it comes to a romantic relationship between Emma and Neal, or Neal being much more than a plot device. I think this is especially hard right now. I honestly still feel that there was nothing in the show that was ever done to make anyone think that Neal and Emma were going to end up together and I still don’t feel that Neal’s character was ever developed at all. I think all things Neal really took place back when he was Bae or when it was shown what he did to make Emma so closed off and emotionally scarred. So to me having Neal die was emotional because it was acted well and it was Henry’s dad, Rumple’s son, Emma’s ex, etc. but it didn’t really CHANGE anything that was currently happening or that was going to happen. But because the SF shippers seemed to see all this stuff that we just never saw, his death is something that has such a MAJOR impact on the show and has COMPLETELY changed what they thought was already happening and what was going to happen that OUaT isn’t even the same show anymore. That is really sad to me but I still don’t think it’s right to boycott the show because, quite honestly, I still don’t see how anyone could believe that Neal was a major character on the show. I think the IDEA of Neal might have been a major character but Neal himself was not. And I think that the SF shippers might have been shipping the IDEA of Neal with Emma not the actual character that A and E had created with her. So much of what they talked about was the relationship that they had back when Emma was 17 – that relationship didn’t exist anymore. And there was talk of hope and family – but they were NEVER going to have a happy little family because of Henry’s messed up family tree/past adoption/sharing with Regina/what about when Regina gets married situation anyway. And hope for what exactly? That you can get back together with your ex-boyfriend?? Why does hope only mean going BACK to something and not TOWARD something? So I thing a lot of the shock is from seeing things that just were not there. Now, I completely agree that the death was handled way to abruptly. No Neal at all, then he is back for an episode, then he dies in a really weird way saying he FINALLY understands what it means to sacrifice??? But I don’t like that people are trying to get together a boycott. And these are the same people who complain that A and E only do things to make the fandom happy and that they should tell their story and not listen to the fans. Yet when they don’t get what they want they are boycotting now??
I want to marry this post lol 😉 All this exactly!
I’m sure I will end up hurting any SF shippers who read this, I don’t mean to but I’m sure I will. We’ve talked a lot about how we often feel like we are watching a completely different show than the SF shippers because we don’t see any of the same things that they see when it comes to a romantic relationship between Emma and Neal, or Neal being much more than a plot device. I think this is especially hard right now. I honestly still feel that there was nothing in the show that was ever done to make anyone think that Neal and Emma were going to end up together and I still don’t feel that Neal’s character was ever developed at all. I think all things Neal really took place back when he was Bae or when it was shown what he did to make Emma so closed off and emotionally scarred. So to me having Neal die was emotional because it was acted well and it was Henry’s dad, Rumple’s son, Emma’s ex, etc. but it didn’t really CHANGE anything that was currently happening or that was going to happen. But because the SF shippers seemed to see all this stuff that we just never saw, his death is something that has such a MAJOR impact on the show and has COMPLETELY changed what they thought was already happening and what was going to happen that OUaT isn’t even the same show anymore. That is really sad to me but I still don’t think it’s right to boycott the show because, quite honestly, I still don’t see how anyone could believe that Neal was a major character on the show. I think the IDEA of Neal might have been a major character but Neal himself was not. And I think that the SF shippers might have been shipping the IDEA of Neal with Emma not the actual character that A and E had created with her. So much of what they talked about was the relationship that they had back when Emma was 17 – that relationship didn’t exist anymore. And there was talk of hope and family – but they were NEVER going to have a happy little family because of Henry’s messed up family tree/past adoption/sharing with Regina/what about when Regina gets married situation anyway. And hope for what exactly? That you can get back together with your ex-boyfriend?? Why does hope only mean going BACK to something and not TOWARD something? So I thing a lot of the shock is from seeing things that just were not there. Now, I completely agree that the death was handled way to abruptly. No Neal at all, then he is back for an episode, then he dies in a really weird way saying he FINALLY understands what it means to sacrifice??? But I don’t like that people are trying to get together a boycott. And these are the same people who complain that A and E only do things to make the fandom happy and that they should tell their story and not listen to the fans. Yet when they don’t get what they want they are boycotting now??
Thats good to hear- I havent caught up on any interviews yet, but I really like that Emma & Killian just sort of end up in a ‘silent’ relationship before either of them really realizes it or states it is official, kind of thing- As you say, since 3B they pretty much have been a couple- it just hasnt been openly confirmed (Regina’s NL “Boyfriend” remark not withstanding) & they arent sleeping together…. yet 😉
yeah… just really wished that Neal’s death came after CS have a few more moments. Especially after Belle declaring that SF was true love and Neal not contradicting it. so know its going to be that Hook is taking advantage of her… even though Emma has controlled their relationship from the start… he may flirt but he makes no moves and allows her to make the decisions. Oh… and I dont want this to seem anti Neal – but I didnt like how he thanked Hook and asked how he liked being a ‘hero.” as if Hook was doing him a favor and wouldnt have done it anyway if he had the chance on his own. and what??? he wasnt a hero when he offered his services as transportation and guide on Neverland to save your son???? Huh? soooo annoyed at that. but I liked hooks response about neal being a villian. Hook stated a fact but seemed understanding of how that could happen
I totally agree with this all well- I also wanted an out right Emma chooses Killian number before Neal passed (we might already know she decided on Hook/Killian ages ago (that was what her “good” was after all)- but it would have been easier for everyone if Emma simply admitted even to Henry/Charming/Snow that she ‘liked or had feelings’ for Killian, or even had Regina say point blank everyone see’s you feel something in return for him etc.
I too was a little annoyed with the selective memory on the show- Hook was a hero for much of NL, was it not the actions of a hero to allow the person who maimed you & murdered your love in front of you “safe passage” & transport in order to save another persons child, to knowing choose to go back to a place they never intended to return to ever, turn down Pan’s offer of an easy way off of the island by killing Charming, to then insist on giving Charming the choice to be ‘saved’ or not- knowing if he went back without Charming, he’d get the ‘blame’ for his death, to turn down the temptation of having Emma to himself, at Neal’s expense- Hook is the reason Neal is alive to do anything after all, if Hook had stayed silent about him being alive, he’d have died in echo cave or still be stuck in NL when everyone else left it :/
I feel really bad for how hard the SF folks are taking this. I know I would have been DEVASTATED if Hook had been the one to die. I know these are all fictional characters but we all get so emotionally attached to them – it feels very real to them right now. I wish there was something I could do to make them feel better but I guess just staying out of their way so they can grieve together is the best thing to do. I really hope they don’t stop watching the show. I know a lot of them are also Rumbelle fans so I hope they will be able to find fun in that ship again, or maybe OQ will give them a new ship to enjoy. I know it is really hard for them to even consider finding any joy in the show anymore. I have to admit – if Hook died I would have to force myself to continue to watch the show because my heart wouldn’t be into it anymore. Anyway, didn’t want to be a total downer but I just feel really bad for the Neal fans right now – kind of helpless, you know?
Agreed, I think all we can do is give them space & time to come to terms with it all.
I get what you mean about Hook dying & not having the heart for it anymore, I’d feel the same, but taking out your anger over Neal’s death on Hook isnt cool. I just hope it dies down shortly & we can get back to not walking on egg shells again.
