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@surayya – I KNOW the minute i saw that gifset I had an instant urge to go home and watch my BBC P&P dvd (HELLO Colin Firth)
as to the hatred of Milah, i can kind of understand some of it. She did make a choice to abandon her son after all.Haha- yes well if I ever get to bed/sleep- I WILL be watching the BBC P&P – Best version EVA IMO! 😉 When Colin Firth comes walks around the lake towards Lizzy in that loose damp shirt & that look of shock passes over his face, I swoon lol *happy sigh*
Yeah I know & understand, but she didnt ‘murder’ anyone & what was her other option- take Bae with her & leave Rumple alone to be a coward on his own?
A&E said Milah knew how much Rumple loved Bae (look what he did to make sure he was in his life!) & knew Rumple would love & care for Bae (wish I could find the darn interview with them saying this stuff now *sigh*)- what my problem with the hate is, is Emma gave Henry up, as Snow gave Emma up, as Owen was given up- so what does that make them? Milah left Bae with his father, she didnt abandon him, the same as Snow left Emma, when she was sent through the wardrobe & Emma left Henry to the care of the foster system- so the ‘she left Bae’ argument doesnt really wash with me- I REFUSE to nail Emma or Snow out to the crows for doing what they did, so i cut Milah slack too (it’s that whole dont throw stones in glass houses thing again I guess- I dont like people slamming Milah, when at least 2 other beloved characters have done the same thing :/ )
After all your pretty gifs I can sleep happy Eala, thank you 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]CaptainEala wrote: @RumplesGirl – to be quite honest I am proud with myself for how restrained i have been with this discussion. I was polite (i think?) to PoM, despite the fact that he/she decided to bring their hate in here. I would be the first to admit i was wrong if i was… but i don’t think i’m in the wrong here so am confused? (You’re a saint RG you really are, honestly i don’t know how you do this)
You’re not wrong. You were polite and if I had actual non virtual cookies I would given them to you. My very loud moderation post is in general. We can’t do this guys. That’s the biggest lesson of 2013 for me: CSF only leads to pain (and ulcers). If you’re going to read the other sides posts then just be prepared to not like things. I am literally the only SFer who HAS to read anything being posted here without choice. Please. PLEASE. let’s not do this. Let’s ship and let ship and NOT attack each other. Does anyone else remember when we were all FRIENDS? Cause I do!
Nawww, @Rumplesgirl sending you a virtual bear hug!
I really have no answers for people dropping the hate, I know I dont go about bashing Neal (in fact I’d like to understand him more, but I’m too scared to ask anything as it always comes back to shipping opinions *shrugs*), honestly I do cringe about leaving the CS thread, because like or not, Killian is bashed- be it passively or aggressively & I dont & never will expect you to be everywhere policing people- that’s just not fair to you!!!
My one stint in the SF thread resulted in my post being taken in the wrong way (& I promise, with hand on heart, I read that post at least 3-4times before I posted in an effort for it not to be miss interpreted, but it still was, I’m just glad I was able to make it clear it had been taken out of context, as I’d hate to have upset SF’s in their own thread!) I really feel for you, having to read this thread, I almost had an ulcer visiting the SF thread to read the answer to my questions & when I saw how my post was taken LOL, so you must be close to palpitations some days! Please dont think we all hate, because we dont- I actually wanted to seek out the ep thread & make sure all the Rumple fans knew he was coming back after E11, that Neal would find his father again & that poor Belle would find her TL (funny how our 1st thoughts when something happens to someone on show, can be of those fans we know love the character so much)- but I was too chicken to go lurk in the other threads- sorry about that!
*sigh* silly me for continuing reading- this went into melt down quickly 🙁
@RumplesGirl, Thank you- I dont envy you your job as mod at this point in time!@Eala You held your tongue well for the most part & made a very good point- hate cant be thrown at one charter to the exclusion of the others actions & that is what climbs up mu nose & has me visiting less & less sites now days.
I do think we all need to just stay in our own threads for the moment as RG says! 🙂 (sucks to be someone who ships both SF & CS atm though I expect!) Lets not let all this hate taint our thread. Let the other shippers think & say what they like about us/our ship, we know whats really happening- whether we are sniggered at or accused of having rose coloured glasses or not- time will prove us right with an Emma “ILY” or fully functioning TLK on Killian, of that I’m certain- it’s what we’re heading towards for 3B or S4, ‘I can feel it in my bones’ 😉
Stelo after just visiting pg1, all I can say is thank you!!!! However think I will be pausing at page one for longer than is actually considered healthy, before returning to the current page after posting lol :p Ugh, I need to watch that scene before bed again- will catch up on the last few pages when I come back tomorrow 🙂
Captain Swan + Pride and Prejudice. “You must know… surely, you must know it was all for you. You are too generous to trifle with me… If your feelings are still what they were last April, tell me so at once. My affections and wishes have not changed, but one word from you will silence me forever. If, however, your feelings have changed, I will have to tell you: you have bewitched me, body and soul, and I love, I love, I love you. I never wish to be parted from you from this day on.”
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WHY?!?!?! Dies of feels ….. time to read P&P (for the millionth time lol) ….. I have to admit, I had my 1st ott Once withdrawal last night & was up until 1am watching S2 CS eps lol – Man oh Man, They told Colin what Killian had gone through from the very start, I’m sure of it – If anyone here watches The Crocodile, having seen 3A, you will totally read Hook’s reaction to Rumple being too cowardly to fight for the women he loves & to fight for his country & honor in a whole new level of light, the layers he put into that moment is outstanding when you go back & watch it.
Must admit to not being overly happy about the Milah bashing that still seems to be going on- it’s not like she murdered Rumple, kidnapped Bae or even ripped Bae from Rumple, A&E Both said, she was desperate to get away from the stigma Rumple had brought down on them all, she had been trying to get Rumple to leave, to start afresh- Rumple refused to do so, repeatedly.
Milah took the only option other than killing herself or Rumple to escape the life Rumple had driven them into & refused to leave (poverty & branded as the town coward etc). She escape with Hook- that doesnt make her a monster, sure it wasnt the best choice she could have made, but she has hardly gone on a murder spree & killed whole towns cause they dont like her o.O
This hatred of Milah is going a bit far- would people be happy if she had ripped toddler Bae from Rumple & had taken him to live on the JR? Doubtful- they’d slam her for stealing Bae away from Rumple! The same would be true if she had simply run off with Bae- Hook or no Hook! If she had murdered Rumple to get out from under the life he was forcing them to live, then yep, she would be doing evil- even if we’ve seen people murder for less on the show 😉 & people would still slam her, it’s like she cant win, no matter what the course of action she took to escape an unhappy life & marriage. It’s like people feel women should stay in a loveless marriage & do their husbands bidding as to how & where she should live?! I know Rumple wasnt abusive etc, but he failed to listen to his wife’s pleas to leave the unhappy situation they were living in, for a chance at a better life for them all, because he was to much “of a coward to try” (paraphrasing A&E on why he didnt listen). I just dont get it- why must people slam characters?! (can you tell I root for the under dog lol 😉 ) What good does it do??? It’s not like she’s alive or or really apart of the show, so why all this hate for her- I’m really struggling to under stand that. Hook I get- I dont like it, but I get some people feel the need to try tear down the threat to their ship …. however this is just a TV show at the end of the day, why watch if it makes you crazy angry? :/
Sorry guys, but I am glad I got that off my chest- the mud flinging is starting to drive me nuts! I even had to pull a shipmate up on bashing Neal (Killian was getting slammed on another site & she sadly got pulled into the match trying to defend him), on a site that is usually pretty good about no shipping wars. I’ve decided if I see bashing going on, I will simply state “the mere fact you feel the need to tear down another character (or ship), just shows how little faith you have in your own fav character (or ship). Once is supposed to bring joy into peoples lives, NOT hatred- if your fav character’s actor or actress saw this type of behavior, do you think they’d condone it?! I think not- ship & let ship, or dont ship at all!” ….. Lol Sorry again- can you tell I’m rather put out by all the bashing going on- it really is getting bad out there! Time to sit in the corner & rock until Once returns I guess lol :p
LOVING all the fanvids everyone is posting- they are helping keep me sane & killing me with feels 😀 😀 :D.
I just love how in S2 for the Timeless promo, CS was featured- if the writing & direction for Emma’s TL/Endgame, epic, FT romance was any clearer, it’d be stamped in neon lights across our screens when ever they came on screen lol (I have watched that promo WAY too much of late- & the kiss scene & the “& when I win your heart” scene & the “I will think about you every day” scene & the TLK attempt scene *sigh* lol)
LOL – A Dwarf shouting mod lol! I totally got flashes of LOTR & The Hobbit scenes when I read that @CaptainEala …. probably because I marathoned all 4 movies in extended version this week LOL :p I needed a middle earth fix after Hobbit 2 😉 )
@RG, Yep, you do a wonderful job of mod-ing! I think most of us CS’ers have just accepted that you cant be everywhere all the time (which is fair enough & no fault of your own- you’re only human! 🙂 ), so it’s best simply for us not to participate in those threads/chat where civility seems hard/impossible to maintain without a (dwarf shouting lol :p ) mod present. I personally have serious respect for you being a shipper yourself, yet still managing to stay in neutral territory in shipping battles *hands RG a box of cookies* 🙂
Not sure if any one has posted this link or not yet, but CS is #6 on Spoiler TV’s top 25 TV ships of 2013, beating out a number of long standing canon ships at that-including the only other Once coupe to make in Rumbelle 😉
6. “Captain Swan,”
Ehmagawd, how hot are these two? Some classic love/hate tension played out to a tee in Season 3, which found the bond between the two growing even as Emma denied it continually. When he calls her “Swan”? When he calls her “love”?!
Favorite moments have to include the kiss (!!), Hook’s confession of love in the Neverland cave scene, and his farewell to Emma when she crossed over the town line back in Storybrooke. It was also amazing when he showed up out of the blue in Emma’s new, fairy-tale free, memory-erased life, like a splash of cold water revealing the truth to Emma’s destiny. While she seems not to have allowed her feelings for Hook to develop enough for True Love’s Kiss to work, I bet if he tried it again in a few episodes, the results might be different!
http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/01/the-top-25-tv-ships-of-2013.html
Hi guys, Happy 2014 to all! 😀 I’ve got back from Christmas & New Years holiday & WOW, there has been some AWESOME posts while I was gone! Totally agree with @rumplegoldfan point about the Emma/Hook jail scene & with @CaptainEala on Emma’s line = her knowing it was her fault.
Also totally agree with what everyone has said with regards to Neal’s understanding of Emma Vs Hook/Killian’s understanding of Emma. I will add some of my thoughts to that topic (since it’s the most recent one).
- Adam & Eddy have already said Neal was ‘drawn’ to Emma because she reminded him of WENDY! That means if she hadn’t reminded him of Wendy, he wouldnt have kept her around in al likely hood. So it wasnt Emma as such, that attracted him at 1st, it was her ‘Wendyness’ & things took off from there.
- How can anyone ‘truly’ know & understand another, truly ‘get’ them, if they are denying & running from who they them-self truly is? The whole Neal ‘knows her better than Hook’ theory fails on that alone IMO- she’s desperate for love, she has abandonment & belonging issues, for her parents to be in her life, so she wants nothing more to find them, to understand them, she wants them in her life, to love them & be loved in return etc. So how could Neal “truly” understand Emma- even at that stage, when his 1st, 2nd & 4th instinct on being able to sort out his own issues with his Dad, once & for all, is to dump Emma, with her abandonment, trust & ‘I’m not good enough to be worthy of love’ issues & allow her sit in a prison cell because of his own crime, yet thinks a car & some cash will make her be “All right”? So he can get the hell out of doge?! …. Yeah cause that sounds like he knows her REAAAALLLLLY well o.O
- Neal’s actions (which in his mind, allowed her to be “Oh Kay”), DIRECTLY resulted in an intense magnification of ALL Emma’s issues- she lost hope & faith in love, she lost her ability to believe in herself/ that she was worthy of & capable of loving at all (hence her giving Henry up- she didnt feel she was worthy of being a mother), she totlly lost the ability to trust & have faith in others etc. If he had truly known Emma, even back then- he would have found another way to get her to SB- plain & simple.
- Neal hasnt known Emma for over a decade (as has been pointed out by others), but the one MASSIVE change Emma had during that time (above Neal dumping her with no warning or explanation, by allowing her to sit in prison for a year- not often you can honestly say a “It’s over” txt from a burner ph would have been a massive leap up the ladder in better ways to break up with someone :/ ), which has sky rocketed Emma way out of Neal’s levels of understanding her as a person NOW, is she became a mother- she literally brought a life into this word, even if she didnt keep Henry, she knew she had had him & that he was out there, somewhere & that fundamentally changes a person. (I wont site the positive findings of female foster kids becoming parents, because all the positive effects of it were negated by Neal’s betrayal of her trust by his abandonment of her). Emma, as a teen not only had to comprehend that she had a life growing inside of her, a part of her & a part of Neal, but that she was in prison, she had no job or prospects awaiting her, she was alone- totally alone, no parents, no friends, no lover, no one to talk to, ask advice of, to help ease her fears before the birth, no one to help an orphan teenager cope with how to look after, let alone how to raise a child, she had no one to help her afterwards etc. She had to face her future & that of her baby, while still in prison, while having no clue why Neal left her & had her chucked in prison etc. At least Neal knew why his father abandoned him & he knew his father loved him, he just thought his father loved power more (which sucks for Bae, but at least he KNEW the reason his father let him go- Emma had none of that benefit).
Since Neal’s come back, he hasn’t read Emma very well at all IMO- He doesn’t trust her ‘super power’- instead he mocks it, he mostly pushes when it’d be better to back off & backs off when he couldve pushed etc. So I just dont understand how SF fans (outside of wearing massive shipping goggles), can honestly think Neal understands Emma better than Hook/Killian. *shrugs*
As for my fav parts of S3 eps (I’ll have to go off of memory, as cant re-watch atm).
3X1 = Emma & Killian’s shared moment below deck for Neal’s passing- Killian’s “I quite fancy/like you, when you’re not yelling at me line” is a close 2nd 😉
3×2 = Emma & Killian’s “Perhaps I would” moment- those two just convey SOOOOO much with eyes, such an intense moment of honesty from Killian & fear of feeling from Emma.
3×3 = Emma & Killian’s Coconut moment- it was just so comfortable & ‘normal’ between them.
3×4 = In Bae’s cave, when Emma actually see’s how deeply Killian really knew & cared about Neal/Bae & his immediate asking if she is all right. This is when I started to wonder how much of what Emma admired about Neal’s skills, actually came from Hook 😉
Oh. Okay. So what was Neal’s reaction to Emma not showing up for their date? What does Neal think about the fact that Emma and Hook kissed? Did he ever TALK to Emma about that? Or about what SHE might feel in regards to Hook? Or did he just go ahead and assume that because he was back, that was all that mattered? Have we seen a single private moment with Hook and Emma, where Neal’s reaction is showcased? (Spoiler: the answer is no.) Where as EVERY “private” moment between Neal and Emma, we’ve gotten a reaction shot from Hook. Also, while we’re on the subject, how many times, when BOTH Neal and Hook were in the scene, did Emma turn to NEAL for his advice on a subject? NEAL suggested going to Dark Hollow, but who did Emma ask about it? It wasn’t Neal. When Neal and Hook were BOTH ATTACKED BY SHADOWS in the Hollow — Emma shouted for Hook. Neal shouted out HER name, and she looked at him, but she TURNED BACK TO HOOK. And … remind me, but who got the ROMANTIC goodbye scene in “Going Home”? WHEN BOTH MEN WERE PRESENT. Neal got a very platonic goodbye, Hook got the wavery voice, holding back tears, and the one little word that meant THERE WAS A CHANCE FOR THEM. Also, you know, explain the ENTIRETY of the bonding on Tallahassee. (This is canon and confirmed, SHE LEFT HIM BECAUSE SHE WAS AFRAID OF HOW CLOSE THEY WERE GETTING). She knew Neal was still alive. There was nothing “separating” them from each other, except for themselves, and she was STILL getting cozy with Hook, knowing Neal still existed. You may want to go back and give the show a rewatch. Just saying. Because it’s pretty clear that ST isn’t gonna happen if Hook is still in the picture.
Have to say I agree with buttercupsandhooks 😉
