[surayya]

I love that our ship actually asks the questions and makes an effort to get to know each other and who they are NOW vs who they once were ages ago. They read each other so well and they dig when they have to but they also know when NOT to push and just find out when the other is ready to give more information. Such kindred spirits!

 

Agreed, I think that is a very important part of Killian’s character, the desire to allow one to choose for themselves, without forcing the issue 🙂

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surayya wrote:

Captain Eala wrote: Killian has already had a ride in a car before with Charming but i imagine that was the most awkward car ride ever lololol.

Yes but in that case Killian had to have his ‘big bad, pirate’ face on It’s not like he’d say ‘Are you sure it’s safe, mate?’ or ‘What magic is this? Where are the horses?’ LOL at least with Emma, he can let his guard down

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BADLY I WANT THIS I AM A MILD ICHABBIE SHIPPER BUT I REALLY WANT SCENES WITH CAPTAIN SWAN LIKE ICHABBIE SCENES

 

I LOVE Sleepy Hollow & still LOL over the whole Doughnut/tax thing- Its fantastic 😀 I’m on the fence between Katrina & Abbie thing at this stage- I’m not yet shipping anyone there 🙂

 

[surayya]

I too love that winner & runner up pics this week are CS based- thanks for sharing 🙂

Very interesting reading on the Neal link:

The problem is that Neal suffers from his father’s delusion that the rest of the world will stop and rewind so that you can fix something. It’s hilarious to realize this when you also watch him scold his father for the very same train of thought. He wants his father to go so far as forget the name he was born with to make a statement that he’s a new person and has shed the skin of his past. But with Emma, he wants to pick up where they left off and simply mend the broken piecs of their lives. Fighting for Emma is Neal’s version of Rumple trying to offer to make Neal 14 again. No one wants that.

THIS!!! So this! This is the largest downside of the entire SF/ST (whatever they call themselves lol) ship, yet it almost the entire backbone (from what I can gather) of their argument for their ship?!

I do think it interesting that a Nealfire fan see’s this, it means (IMO), she WANTS whats BEST for the character she loves most, (much like us wanting whats best for Emma &/Or Killian), not some weird forced relationship that is supposed to come off as TL or something like it :/

 

I think that’s why he is so intent on defending Tamara to Emma up until hard evidence comes in the picture (in the form of a bullet….). He doesn’t want to make the same mistake twice. He wants to fight for Tamara like he should have fought for Emma.

Very interesting observation here & one I totally agree with. It makes perfect sense.

 

The problem with Neal’s decision to fight for Emma NOW is that she’s not that same person that she was back when they were together. But Neal is so hyper focused on his perspective of their lives and of their love that he is stunted and unable to see that what he’s doing is actually hurting her. What he wants, ultimately, is her happiness, but he’s unable to see the way that she needs to get there. Instead, he can only see the option of how he can get her there, and that’s just not how it works.

I totally agree with this too…. funny how it is a Neal fan who is able to decipher the Neal code for those of use who ‘dont get him’, yet actually agrees with what we’ve been saying about the over all SF/ST situation all a long lol

This has actually shed a little light on Neal’s thoughts & actions for me- I still dont like him, but I do understand his motivations a little better now 🙂

[surayya]

Killian has already had a ride in a car before with Charming but i imagine that was the most awkward car ride ever lololol.

Yes but in that case Killian had to have his ‘big bad, pirate’ face on 😉 It’s not like he’d say ‘Are you sure it’s safe, mate?’ or ‘What magic is this? Where are the horses?’ LOL at least with Emma, he can let his guard down 🙂

 

[surayya]

Ok I just saw a video of this scene Captain Swan in the yellow bug now I can’t say for sure but I think they might be about to go out somewhere and the part we see in the video is him opening the door for Emma then getting in the passenger side. http://captainswanouat.tumblr.com/post/66357332656/did-a-little-digging-and-found-a-short-little I have a theory now I’m thinking after all the big Pan scenes the battle and fighting basically after the dust settles we’re getting this quiet calm Captain Swan scene of them about to go out somewhere and they’ll leave us in the mid-season finale with Hook and Emma driving off in the yellow bug! It might just be a overly optimistic Captain Swan shipper’s wish but I so hope that’s how it goes down!

Oh I like that!

[surayya]

Ohhhh, I cant wait to see pics MystryKat- sounds awesome ….. I mean Hook/Killian in Emma’s little yellow Bug ….. LOL! Cant wait to see his reaction lol

The look on Killina’s face over what I assume is the prospect of taking a trip in the car is hard case too lol

I have the same problem as above- different time zone.

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Ok- so now it’s letting me post again- I’ll post what I wanted to earlier …

@ Captain Eala & rumplgoldfan- I Totally agree with you both!

Congrats on your email Stelio! I’m about to listen to the podcast after writing this 🙂

I have to admit I was VERY ticked off after the initial reaction podcast, when Jenny said ‘Emma would be doing the “dishonorable” thing by choosing Hook/Killian’ >:( That kind of attitude REALLY annoys me- We have all said it would be “out of character” for Emma to choose Neal &/or “unhealthy” for her to do so- but not one of us has EVER said she would be doing a “dishonorable” thing by choosing Neal, yet SF/STer’s think that, that sort of attitude is ok?!

Most of us have always said Emma will probably always have a place in her heart for Neal, thats only natural- Neal was Emma’s 1st love, the 1st person she ever let in, the 1st person she trusted, the 1st person who returned her love, the person who gave her, her 1st child. But everything they’ve had Neal do is for him & him alone- he wants family & it seems he doesnt care who it’s with, as long as HE get’s what he wants & that drives me to distraction- it really really bugs me no end, he has shown little or no loyalty…. to anyone (aside from maybe Henry), he has acted with his own best interests 1st & foremost, he has shown zero emotional response to Tam’s betrayal or the the fall out from his ‘loving’ her (which has only been a week, yet they drag Emma over the coals for having feelings for & kissing Killian), he refuses to listen to what people are telling him, he just hears what he wants to & to hell with the rest & he is entirely judgmental of others- this is what Emma has to chose from Killian & that? & Someone like that is who she should choose over someone who has but her (EMMA’S) happiness above his own!? I was looking forward to the triangle & how they would handle it, but Neal is soooo ‘wrong’ on so many levels & Hook/Killian so perfect, it’s just downright painful to even consider SF at all atm.

Also I dont see use being hypocritical over Neal abandoning Emma & Hook abandoning Bae at all- they are 2 entirely different circumstances!

 

1) Neal was SUPPOSED to LOVE with 16/17yr old Emma, yet he allowed her to go to jail for possessing the stolen goods HE had given her.

2) Neal allowed August to send her to jail in the 1st place

3) Neal wanted to get away from Emma when he found out who she really was & what she was connected to-That is his 1st abandonment of Emma. .

4) Neal felt guilty & just wanted to make sure she was ok so he could move on, so he threw some money & a car for her & left (he didnt even send them himself to ensure she got it either- he could have done so anonymously, it not like he didnt know her name!)

5) Neal “moved on- he didnt wait or linger for Emma or their dream of Tallahassee, if he had Emma would have found him in the 2yrs she looked for him there.

6) Neal didnt move outside SB, to be close in case Emma needed him, he didnt keep tabs on her- for his own peace of mind, because he had already moved on.

7) Neal abandoned her AGAIN by not returning to SB when he was sent the postcard- why? His own fear of facing his father was greater than his love for Emma, whom he’d already got over & moved on from by that time.

8) Neal sent her to her certain death, by asking Emma to break her deal with Gold, so he could get away from his father- again choosing his fear over Emma- yes he came back, but only because his guilt got the better of him.

9) He finds out he has a son & still isnt interested in moving closer to him, because his father is in residence there.

10) Only goes to SB because he doesnt want his father to die in his apartment.

11) Is a grade A jerk to Emma in SB, putting her ‘power/skill’ down & enjoying her ‘jealously’ of Tamara/his situation.

12) Ignores everything Emma has told him of the pain he causes her, which she doesnt want to relive or feel anymore & instead say’s I’ll never stop fighting for you- (no matter how much it hurts you!) Never!

Now for Hook- Bae

1) Hook (a villain) saves Bae from almost certain death by drowning & mermaids, by pulling him out of the water,

2) After having his life & those of his crew threatened, Hook finds out who Bae is & decides to try giving him a home on his ship to honor his Milah’s memory- despite the risk to all their lives.

3) Hook honorably refuses to fight Bae when Bae finds out he knew his mother & does his best to tell him the truth of what happen, to explain what happened.

4) Hook OFFERS Bae (who is NO relation to him) a HOME & FAMILY with him, which Bae turns down flat, with insults& insists on being let go on NL.

5) Hook Offers Bae a home & family again- one last time, which Bae emphatically refuses again.

6) Hook allows the lost boys to take Bae with them, rather than allow Bae to go a shore himself- in order to safeguard the lives of his crew & himself.

How are those 2 situations the same or even comparable?!?!

[surayya]

Just found this on FB & I think it’s the BEST Emma/Killian/Captain Swan post EVER- wish I had seen it before emails closed for this weeks pod cast!

All her life, she’s been alone. She’s spent her whole life not only thinking she was unwanted, but that she was unlovable. She just wasn’t enough.

With her parents, growing up, she could at least hold onto a plausible explanation—there could be reasons. Especially after she had Henry, she could put herself into their perspective. Her situation wasn’t ideal and it was her best chance to be given up (a truth). But with Neal…nothing. Even if there was an explanation that she eventually got, that doesn’t diminish that for nearly a dozen years, Neal’s betrayal cemented pre-existing self-worth issues, told her that she wasn’t worth enough to stick around, not to betray her, etc. She’s not enough.

That’s the pain she was talking about in 3×06. Everything she’d pushed down for all those years…all the self-loathing, the feeling of being unwanted and incapable of being loved: Neal makes her feel those things.

So cut back to her parents. In 3×02, Emma realized that she’ll always identify as an orphan. She feels like that sad, lonely little lost girl who “didn’t matter, and thought she never would.”And after what Snow said to her in the Echo Cave, my heart just breaks. Again, not trying to bash Snow, because this isn’t something she would’ve said otherwise, and she has a right to want a second child—but that doesn’t change the fact that once again, Emma’s going to be left feeling like an orphan. She doesn’t get parents—at least, not in the way she wanted. She’s not enough.

But then…enter Killian, and his secret.

In a season where Emma’s finally beginning to confront her abandonments and resulting self-worth issues, she has a love interest who is bending over backwards for her and she doesn’t even realize how much—because he’s not doing it for her attention or her praise…just her happiness.

It’s going to be painful being around her mother for a while, and it’s going to be even more painful being around Neal.

But Killian makes her feel good. He does more than that—he’s encouraging at every turn, praising, we all know that the only way he’s leaving her is if she asks him to, not because someone else tells him it’s for the greater good.

Imagine how Emma felt to have heard Killian’s confession.

That her, only her, just meeting her…made him re-evaluate everything he thought he wanted. That she gave his life light, just by being in it. That he’s falling for her after 300 years of devotion to a ghost, and doing everything he can to make her happy, to be by her side, to be in her life.

Even after finding her parents and seeing Neal again, Emma has never felt like she’s enough, fears that got confirmed in the Echo Cave.

Except by one person. For Killian, she is enough. She is worth giving up revenge for. She is worth going to back to Neverland for. She is worth everything he’s done, just by being who she is.

To find her parents, she had to break the curse. To be with Neal (even if it ended up with her in jail), she had to steal the watches. To be with Killian, she just had to be herself.

http://onceuponamirror.tumblr.com/post/66150125008/in-which-i-suddenly-have-so-many-emma-feels

I’m just basking in the glory that is this post! 😀

[surayya]

CRACK Theory time!

It’d be hard case if Killian took a curse for Emma & was seriously injured or near death as a result, so Emma (unknowingly) breaks it with bestowing TL kiss on him, thus saving Killian 🙂 That’d wipe the nasty comments about us being delusional or Hook dying from the septic SF/ST’ers lips LOL & it would cause all sorts of drama with-in the family & Emma herself- I think having a TL would freak her out for a while hehe.

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Lol, just saw this on tumblr and had to share:

Me: I feel kind of bad for Hook after this last episode. Mum: Why? He loves Emma, and she’s clearly not going back to Neal. I think he’s Emma’s true love. Me: But he doesn’t know that she’s not going back to Neal, he heard Neal tell Emma he’d never stop fighting for her. Mum: Can’t stop what you never started.

Buuuuuurn. Hehe. @obisgirl – thanks for the reassurance haha, not that we needed it!

 

LOL- This is awesome!

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