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Did anyone else notice 2 shadows in the promo? Pan & Rumples?

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Hehe, just saw this on FB & thought I’d share here- I Love it 🙂

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Yay, you found it obisgirl- Thanks!

 

@ Kat – I wont quote you post lol, but I agree with you & I will add that:

And there was Tink’s thing about not being with the person you’re supposed to be with ruins both lives and Emma and Killian’s lives have both sucked up until now – we haven’t seen Emma truly smile now that Neal’s back but with Hook she was “feeling good” and flirting and smiling).

If Neal & Emma were supposed to be together, then Neal & Emma’s lives would NOT have improved after Neal left Emma, but both of their lives (from what we have seen), did improve- Neal eventually moved on & was going to settle down with Tamara, Emma gave up crime & became a bail bonds person, then found her family etc. Neal comes back into the picture & she becomes unhappy again, Neal exits from her life again & she begins to become happier again/starts smiling – despite still struggling to find Henry (evidenced by her ‘I was feeling good’ line). Neal comes back into her life again & boom, Emma is upset …. again (& so is Killian) *sigh*

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Can anyone link me to or direct me to where that concept sketch of Emma from S1 (I think it is), but was released for S2? It’s the one that has her wearing a long pirate jacket & long boots- I’m searching for it everywhere, but cant find it with google searching or in my pictures (although I’m sure I saved it, it could have been on the HD which died last yr).

I’m almost certain I 1st saw it on these forums somewhere- but have thousands of pages to search though, so wondering if anyone has seen it recently or remembers which thread it was in to help narrow down my search-  Thanks  🙂

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Captain Eala wrote:

surayya wrote: I’ve been voting often over the last hr & will do so whenever I’m online (CS deserves a fighting chance at winning)- but even getting nominated is huge! I mean not even Snowing got nominated & they are supposed to be the main couple of the show & in real life lol!

AND especially when you consider that all the other couples that were nominated are LONG ESTABLISHED as canon and CS is only just getting started. *scoffs* when I think about how we were being called delusional time and again….

I’m surprised not even Rumbelle got nominated! At this point having our ship recognized is just huge regardless!

 

Yes, exactly! It just goes to show exactly how incredible these two are on screen together & that the story A&E are telling about them coming together, resonates with so many fans.

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I’ve been voting often over the last hr & will do so whenever I’m online (CS deserves a fighting chance at winning)- but even getting nominated is huge! I mean not even Snowing got nominated & they are supposed to be the main couple of the show & in real life lol!

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So happy Captain Swan got the PCA nomination! Vote here everyone!   http://www.peopleschoice.com/pca/votenow.jsp   support not just our ship but our show!

 

YAY, but I 2nd the, how often can you vote? Question 😉

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I agree with you on them continuing on as they have been this season AllThatGlitters.

IMO this season (so far) seems like it’s been stronger than the 2nd season was- I mean there was moments of absolute brilliance in S2, but there were some really horrendous let downs too (I even stopped watching S2 for a while :/ ).

This season has kept me engaged & loving almost every minute of it so far. I think that is because we are actually getting much needed character development, over heavy plot development atm, which is smart move IMO- they arent a big budget Sci Fi series, where having an action packed plot, with impressive SFX & a little of the required character development thrown in to keep it moving along, is all thats needed; they are a fantasy/drama & IMO, rely heavily on strong characters to engage the audience, so they want to know what happens to everyone each week & tune in.

OUaT is usually AWESOME at writing character driven storylines (Neal is usually the exception here) & these are what usually get people hooked on the show…. I mean look at how many have gone from out right hating Hook & thinking he’s one dimensional, to actually growing to quite like him this season (until The kiss & Neal happened again lol :p )- that was all down to character development.

So yeah, I hope they continue to keep the show character driven this season, we can have a bit of action thrown in to the mix to keep the fantasy up front, just not running from one disaster to the next every ep, with no reaction time in between 😉

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The thing that I keep hearing that’s been bugging me the most is how Emma should be with Neal because it’s the right and honorable thing since they have a child together. On the podcast yesterday the same thing was said plus adding in that if Emma chose Hook it would mean abandoning her family. Hook to me has shown how honorable he truly is, he would not want Emma to abandon her family essentiall making the same mistake twice.  That whole warped sense of honor and righteousness by staying with the guy who knocked her up and abandoned her for ten years is complete drivel to me. Hook and Emma want the same thing to let go of the pain of the past and move on to a new future. I don’t see anything that can be called “right” about Emma staying with Nealfire just because of Henry.

 

UGH! YES! Can you tell I agree? lol :p

I HATE, simply HATE people saying “well Neal is Henry’s father, so they should be together” ….  what rock do these people live under? I come from a broken family- my own father was killed, my step father betrayed my mother & used us kids to do so- so do these people feel my mother should have stayed married to my father despite his betrayal, because it was the right thing to do?! My mother gave my step father a choice- stay & try to work through what he’d done (which is more than I would have done TBH) or leave & do his thing- he chose to walk out on us all (& drag her through the mud as much as possible), yet we’d be better off with him in our lives, because he made babies with my mother- REALLY?!

Have these people never looked into, or heard the studies on how it usually results in psychological & emotional damage to the children & those in the relationship itself, if they are ‘staying’ together for their children.

Why are broken families painted so poorly to bio families? Sometimes the best Happy Ever Afters, are a direct result of being part of a broken family, because ALL parties are “HAPPY”, not one or both parties destroying a part of themselves to stay hitched to someone whom is toxic for them to be around, or that they have to closed off from to protect themselves emotionally from & even worse the child/children seeing this all happening & then usually feeling all the fighting & pain is there doing.

Sure Neal may not have physically abused Emma, but he sure as oats emotionally & psychologically abused her (whether he meant to or not is irrelevant), to the point that for 11-12 yrs Emma went though intense emotional pain over what happened between them & was fundamentally changed by it, in a VERY profound, negative way- but yeah sure, she should be with Neal, because they have a kid UGH!!!!! Rant over.

Sorry if that was a little strong, but that stance REALLY climbs up my nose & gets my BS meter going right off the charts :/

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Ok, so I’ve sort of transcribed the exact dialogue from the ep (relating to CS/Emma/Hook), It is quite long though- so sorry in advance for this mega post! I have skipped some sentences, unrelated to CS happenings & to keep it as short as possible (with relevant inserted ‘assumed’ expressions relating to CS) …

• Emma making sure her Daddy & Hook were well out of ear shot & the look on her face was almost terrified when she was telling Snow it was Hook she kissed….. (why would she care who over heard her if that kiss really meant nothing)
• Snow’s look of motherly ‘well that explains those looks!’ & ‘what does this mean exactly’ as she says “Oh…Why?”
• Emma “I dont know! I was .. Its been a while, I was feeling “good”.
• That smile on Snow’s face as she said “Did it mean anything?”
• Snow “Im sure Neal will understand.
• Emma “If he’s still alive”
• Snow “Emma, I get what you’re doing you know. You dont want to open yourself up to the hope that he could be alive, but you should”.
• Which stops Emma in her tracks, with a look of annoyance of her face “Why?!”
• Snow “Because you deserve a happy ending & Happy endings always start with hope” -Insert Emma’s look of shock & sadness.

Thoughts… I really wonder if at this point Emma was wondering if Neal wasnt really her happy ending after all, because she was terrified of him being alive. Which then kind of foreshadows CS – Emma felt the Kiss with Killian was important enough to tell Snow about it in the 1st place (despite her “it’s just a kiss”- which is exactly the same as her “I dont have feelings for Neal” all last season), she didnt have to tell anyone, esp if she had really felt nothing… I mean why would she tell Snow (esp after the whole Whale/1 night stand thing)?! So it must have meant something much more to Emma than she has let on & maybe those feelings stirred some hope in her for a new kind of love (hence her reaction to their kiss), which could then be part of the reason for hoping Neal was dead. She was starting to see what love should be like through Snowing & even Killian- being partners, equals, giving & taking, always being there, but never expecting or forcing the other into doing what was wanted & comparing it with what she had & felt for Neal, so when Snow says you “DESERVE” a happy ending & most of what Neal has caused her is pain, she wonders if what they had was really what happy ever afters are supposed to be. As an aside, we should also maybe consider that it’s possible the reason Emma liked Neal, was in part tied to the stuff/skills that Hook taught Bae- much like Neal liked Emma as she reminded him of Wendy

• Out side Echo Cave ….
• Hook “Echo Cave”
• Snow “You know it”
• Hook “All too Well, I’ve lost 1/2 my crew inside those rock walls (insert Snow’s ‘shocked off her rock’ face LOL & note that Emma has moved from behind Snow & furthest from Hook, to right up front, next & closest to Hook) … The only way to rescue someone from inside, is to reveal a secret”
• Snow confused “A secret, that’s all?”
• Hook “The darkest, secret. Echo Cave derives its name from an old saying ‘the deeper the lie, the more truth in its echo’. (insert Emma’s look of dread) The cave demands you reveal a truth about yourself, a secret you’d never admit to anyone”
• Emma “This is ridiculous” (Harry Potter flashback :p )
• Hook (playfully) “Dont kill the messenger love” (knowing what his secret would be- I’m surprised he wasnt more nervous- but Colin said it could well be how Hook hides his serious feelings for Emma)
• Emma “Even if we spill our guts, how do we know Neal is still alive in there”
• Hook “Because this is what Pan wants, he wants us to rescue him”
• Charming “Why?”
• Hook “So that we reveal our secrets; he believes once we do, our secrets will destroy us” (insert Snow’s horrified face) …. I love slow motion options

Thoughts … So Pan wants Emma to admit that She loves Neal & probably always will- so it will destroy her. Hook is supposed to admit he cares for Emma, so it will turn her & the others against him, Snow is meant to admit she wants a baby to turn Emma against her & Charming admit he lied to Snow to turn them against each other…. anyone else getting a total Henry “look what magic has done to you all! You are supposed to be hero’s & you are talking about killing my mom/Regina” flashback here??? Seems like Pan is trying to turn Henry’s family against each other & they just keep coming out stronger & stronger (for the most part). As an side observation, I find it interesting how Emma & Hook seem to position themselves close to each other more often than not- could this be a little TL tell maybe, they have an unconscious pull towards one another..

• In Echo Cave:
• Emma’s look of terror when she saw Neal was really alive as he shouted “EMMA!” & her physically having to step back. The look of fear on Hooks face, was heartbreaking.
• Emma “So what do we do”
• Hook (insert Hook’s own look of dread mingled fear) “I told you what needs to be done (insert Charming’s look of dread), consider this a moment of truth- literally. Now, who wants to kick things off?”
• Emma “So.. what, someone tells their secret & they sprout wings”
• Hook “I dont know the particulars, only what I’ve been told”
• Charming “Well how do you know it’ll work?” (insert Hook nervous behavior, as he plucks up the courage to reveal his secret & then the worried look Snow keeps giving him in the back ground)
• Hook “There’s only one way to find out I suppose (insert Hook being OH SO MUCH BRAVER than the others & his worried, concerned look as he says) …… I kissed Emma. (insert Emma’s ‘what? ‘Seriously?! look)”
• Charming “You did WHAT!”
• Snow “David, now is Not the time”
• Emma I already told MM, so technically its not a secret. But it was just a kiss, how is that your darkest secret?”
• Hook “Its what the kiss exposed (insert Emma’s shocked face), my secret is, I never thought I’d be capable of letting go of.. my 1st love, of my Milah (insert Snows ‘oh wow’ it was more than a kiss to him! look). To believe that I could find someone else, that is until I meet you (insert Emma’s shocked expression).”
• (insert Emma’s look of ‘feeling’ {she had a very similar look when Henry hugged her the 1st time & when MM was touched Emma had called them family}- the one that looks like love is hurting her look , then she looks at Hook, who returns with a look of apology/vulnerability/ hope/pain/sadness [dang Colin can act!- love the layers he coats Hook in…WOW!!], Hook then turns to David to see his reaction, David gives him a look of understanding & his nod of acceptance, with the ‘I get you really care for my daughter… but I have to dislike you because of liking my daughter’, dad mode hehe. Then as Snowing move away from the edge to reveal their secrets- Emma steps towards Hook & it looks like she wants to say something {her mouth opens & she raises her hand towards Hook as she strides towards him, then drops it as she turns towards Snowing as she stands next to him, while Hook watches her})
• (I wont mention the agony on Snow’s & Charming’s faces for this here, but they both had looks of utter pain on their faces for their confessions) Snow “Ever since the curse broke, since we found each other, since we found Emma (insert confused Emma & Charming expressions). In all of that happiness there is something I havent wanted to admit. Our daughter is a Beautiful, Smart, Amazing women (insert Emma’s ‘it hurts to feel love/emotions’ expression & Hook watching her every expression- I guess trying to figure out how she received the news of his secret), whom I love very much & of whom I could not be more proud. But she’s all grown up. & as much as I want to pretend I’m ok with that, I’m not! We missed it David! What we have with her is unique, but it’s not what I wanted. (Insert Emma’s look of pain *almost had me in tears in slow motion*) We were cheated out of everything- her 1st step! Her 1st word! her 1st smile! We missed it all.
• Charming “what are you saying”
• Snow “When we get off this island & get back to SB, I want another go at it…. I want to have another baby” (note that the look Charming gives Snow, is almost identical to the one Hook gave Emma here)
• Charming “Nothing in this world would make me happier (insert Hook’s look of pain) & I know with all my heart that…. you would make an amazing mother. (Emma’s confused expression & again a look of pain from Hook) But it can never happen, at least not with me”
• Snow “What do you mean?”
• Charming “When Hook & I went to search for the sextant, he was really taking me to find a cure”
• Snow “A cure for what!?”
• Charming “Dreamshade”
• Snow “The lost boys, the arrow, you pushed me out of the way”
• Charming “I wasnt fast enough, I was hit. Hook was able to find a cure, but it comes at a price. I cant leave NL, if I do, I’ll die”
• (Emma shares a look of horror with Snow, then David & then with Hook, who has a look of despair on his face as she walks across the bridge to Neal)
• Emma “You ok?” (insert ‘closed off’ look in her eyes)
• Neal “Yeah, but Henry I umm” (Im a puppy dog ‘forgive me’ look)
• Emma “It’s ok, we’re gonna take care of him, we just gotta get you outta there 1st”
• Neal “Wha… Emma, Emma! Emma! You know that’s not how this works (insert look of ‘feelings are painful’)…. It’s ok, you can tell me anything”
• Emma (insert heartbreaking vulnerable look for the whole dialogue) “When I heard you might be here, that you might still be alive… I knew I should be happy, but I wasnt; I was, terrified. I didnt understand why until now. From the moment I saw you in NY, from the instant, you stepped back in my life I knew; I knew I never stopped loving you…. & before I even had a chance to take a breath I… I lost you once more & all that pain that I had pushed down for all those years it just came, rushing back & I.. I didnt know if I could go through it again. I love you, I probably always will…. but my secret….. Is that I was hoping that this was a trick…. I was hoping you were dead. Because it would be easier for me to put you behind me, than to face all the pain we went through all over again” (insert SF hug, Hook’s look of hurt & despair, Charming’s look of concern & Snow’s look of painful understanding?- not sure how else to describe it)

Thought’s – have already been said

• Out side Echo Cave again:
• Neal “Thank you” (insert Hook & Emma again standing close together)
• Charming “Well dont thank us yet, we still have to save Henry”
• Hook “We found your star map, so the real question is do you know how to get off this island”
• Neal “We can find Henry, I can get you home”
• (insert Hook’s look of despair/hurt) Hook “Then lets go get Tinker Bell &.. retrieve the boy” (Hook watches Emma as he says the last few words & leaves)
• Snowing & Hook exit scene ….Emma “You alright?”
• Emma “About what I said”
• Neal “Hey, Emma, it’s ok”
• Emma “No it’s not, I wish I could change how I feel, more than anything, but I cant. I’m Sorry”
• Neal “Dont be. After everything I put you though, you dont ever have to apologize to me about how you feel. Hey I’m glad you told me. I have a secret to Emma, I’m never going to stop fighting for you (insert Emma’s look of hurt/no)- ever” (insert Hook’s look of hurt & hopelessness as he listens to them). Thoughts….. I’ve already said them before, same as everyone else has lol.

Sorry if its a little incoherent- it’s 2am (then it posted with weird tags all over t, so I had to edit those out & it’s now 2:30am), but I needed to get this all out so I could sleep lol.

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