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@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Just found this article and wanted to share. I saw one of the quotes on tumblr and tracked it down. Needed some happy Hook / CS news with the day I’ve been having.
The article is from back in Feb but it has some cute stuff about Colin, twitter and a big chunk on Colin’s audition and how well-liked Hook is by the people on the show directly from Kitsis (with his wife weighing in on the auditioning process – go Kitsis’ wife! – sorry I don’t know her name…) Love her reaction and what the other female executives were saying too! (And this is from all the way back in Feb! First time I’ve been happy about “old” news in a long time). *clings to anything remotely hopeful & happy*
Here’s the part specifically with Kitsis’ comments:
“I will tell you, from the moment Colin auditioned, and I was home and watching it, [it was clear,]” Kitsis said. “My wife never watches auditions with me, and I’m seeing it, staring at it like I’m transfixed, and I hear this, ‘You better (please avoid obscenities) hire him.’ And I turn around and it’s my wife. I’ve never seen a reaction to anybody like I’ve seen with Colin. Like, it’s crazy. Network executives, I have a lot of female executives and they’re like, ‘Is Hook in this one?’ And I’m like, ‘What?’ And they’re like, ‘Can Hook be here?’ [My reply is] ‘This scene is just Henry alone on a slide.’ [And they joke] ‘That’s all right: Hook likes playgrounds!’ Colin has just done an unbelievable job and the character is so much fun.”
<3 it!
Haha, love it 😀
[adrotate group="5"]@KFChimera wrote:
What I meant was, when I see one sided things like that poster a few pages back implying Hook is the only one who’s “come back” for Emma, it just triggers me to start thinking of all the things that are misleading about this statement as well as other statements that are too one-sided. Leaving aside Hook’s motivations and the bits on August and Neal–how could anyone fault Snowing for putting Baby Emma in the wardrobe when the choice was do that or let her be killed by the Queen’s men? Their original plan was for Snow to go with Emma. We aren’t supposed to infer lack of love for Emma by their actions–we are supposed to infer they loved her very much and had a very hard choice to make. Season 1 hammers this home a lot–sometimes people who love you have to leave you to give you your best shot at a better life. It isn’t that they didn’t fight hard enough for you–but some fights are too stacked to win (without some miracle plot armor or something).
Whatever pain Emma faced as an abandoned child in horrible foster systems, it is something she works through over the course of Season 2. It’s not an instant forgiveness and trust, but it is something that takes time to build, but Emma understands intellectually their sacrifice long before she does so emotionally. Snow didn’t “come back” for Emma–but she was willing to sacrifice being with Charming for her (though the plan fell through), and did sacrifice that when she came after Emma when she jumped into a portal when Emma was falling through. So in my mind, while I might sometimes find Snow to be a bit dramatic/sanctimonious, there ought to be no doubt that Emma loves them and they love her at the end of the finale. Emma isn’t that abandoned loner anymore, just waiting for someone to choose her, to fight for her. She knows her parents would die for her.
Got ya – I see what you mean now.
I tend to take almost everything with a grain of salt when it comes to interpretations (as a couple of times, even in this thread, I haven’t totally agreed with certain hard core statements & I’ve even made some myself in the heat of the moment), so I tend to look for the truths behind the statement- why do they feel so strongly about it & pull those parts out of a post & just mention confirmed details, which may have been forgotten or over looked in the heat of posting.I think I posted something along these lines many pages back now, Hook being the only one to come back for Emma, is more he is the only unrelated character to Emma (ie. he has no blood or familial bond/obligation/drive binding him to return to/for her), who has come back to her- he is the one person she hasn’t had to go find herself 1st.
I’ll try & break this down into easy chunks-
1st yes, Snowing unwillingly chose to send Emma away, However it’s important to remember they are a Prince & Queen with the well being of an entire kingdoms populace on their shoulders, so they choose to do it to save not only themselves & Emma, but EVERY SINGLE being in EF (A&E confirmed this beginning of S2)- as rulers they had no choice, Emma had to be sacrificed for the good of ALL, it wasn’t simply for the benefit of Emma herself (whether they loved her or not, doesn’t change the fact she spent almost 3 decades searching for them because they had to save everyone in their kingdom). It also important to remember Snowing didn’t want to let Emma go through after she was born because Snow couldn’t go through with her- kingdom be damned, but being the people they are, they had to think of everyone & not just themselves & Emma, nor I guess did they fully considered what Emma would go through in sending her through the portal on her own, they only knew she would escape the curse, survive & not know who they were & in return the entire kingdom would be saved. As an aside, not that it will change anything, but I do have to wonder if they would make the same choice over again knowing what Emma went through.
Also until A&E say Regina would have killed Emma, we don’t know that for sure & it is simply pure speculation- esp given she had already enacted the curse, which means she would have broken it before she got to enjoy seeing Snow suffer, so I highly doubt she would have killed Emma- remember they could kill her, she couldn’t touch them in EF & if she couldn’t hang around & watch Snow suffering (which is what she wanted), what good would killing Emma & breaking the curse while still in EF be to her- they kill her as soon as the guards found her with Snow- if Snow didn’t do it herself. Personally I think she would have given Emma to someone else in town or kept her close to her, ensuring she didn’t die & thus break the curse- that would just add to her enjoyment of Snow’s suffering.2nd Henry was the 1st person to actively go find Emma- however one could argue that Emma wasn’t looking for Henry, so that doesn’t count- which is fair enough- gotta love the conversations I have with myself over these things 😉 So I don’t see the Hook coming back as belittling Henry either.
3rd Snow going after Emma in the portal, was a mother going after her daughter, A&E said this in one of the official podcasts, so it is confirmed fact- they also said that Snow realized just how deeply they had hurt & damaged Emma by sending her away, so Snow had to follow- a parents sacrifice is one thing, a strangers sacrifice is another, so again I don’t see Hook coming back as belittling this, as they are both very different circumstances. The love of a parent for their child should always trump romantic love- true or not, as far as I’m concerned.
So to that end, I simply see the above for what it is on the show, Emma having to search for Snowing, because they sent her away in the 1st place Vs Emma not having to go searching for Hook & the bean, because he choose to come back 1st- hope that makes sense.
I like you thought Emma had let her parents in, openly loved & trusted them now as well, but A&E said she hasn’t let them in yet (‘they try, but she hasn’t let them in”- only Henry is completely inside Emma’s circle of trust 😉 )- so I’m not sure what to think about it now … Personally I hope that “Mom, Dad” = Emma letting them in for S3E01, but this is A&E, so they could simply say ‘she thought they were all going to die, so dropped her guard in that moment (like she has in the past) & told them how she felt’, but the walls will be back up again for S3… I hope not though. Although unless they only have a couple of season left, I’ll doubt they’ll drop her mummy & daddy issues totally until close to the last season. So until Adam or Eddy say comment on the depth of her relationship status with her parents, I wont agree or disagree with you on what Emma does or doesn’t feel about her parents, because I simply haven’t seen A&E state it anywhere yet (other than what they said above).
I will make a disclaimer here- if this post is hard to head or makes no sense, I’m very sorry – I’m on meds, so have to work very hard not to addle things up atm & even then there’s no guarantee! It makes perfect sense when I read it, so I can only hope it does to the non-medicated too 😉
I’ll read your analysis in the morning obisgirl – I need sleep before I go cross eyed 😉
@obisgirl wrote:
I’ve seen these posts on tumblr that ST fans want Hook with Regina, just so Emma can be with Neal. Seriously. That would be a horrible pairing, not to mention that Hook has now shown ANY romantic interest towards Regina at all this season. And yet, they still ‘ship it because that will make Emma free for Neal. I’m like, that is not the reason why you ‘ship a couple.
I’ve ‘shipped couples for a long time, and usually, there are pretty valid reasons to root for one ‘ship over the other. But to ship Hook with Regina just so make your OTP possible is a horrible reason.
I think it’s very important note about the language used in reference to Hook and Neal. Language and the words writers use can tell/show us a lot about their respective characters. It’s like what I was saying before about Neal representing a part of Emma’s childhood but Hook is her future.
It’s not coincidental when you look at the story format of Tallahassee and Snow Falls, both episodes show past/present (Snow meeting charming vs. MM & David’s struggle to stay away from each other in the present / Emma’s past with Neal and her relationship with Hook in the present).
I’m working on analysis post regarding Fighting for True Love, which will eventually delve into Emma/Neal and Emma/Hook and why Hook is better for Emma in the end. Especially since ‘fighting for True Love’ has been a big theme since season one; you still see aspects of it from this past season.
*Nods in agreement* & I look forward to reading that analysis.
I think sometimes people simply get passionate about their ship, so come off a little strong- esp if their ship is being bashed on message boards/forums etc.
KFChimera I can kind of see your point to a certain degree (esp on bashing driving you to the opposite ship)- know I cant stand a number of forums because they are so anti CS, so I no longer visit them… at all. However that hate/bashing doesn’t drive me deeper into CS- I let my own interpretation of the story/show do that & nothing else. I generally don’t want to frustrate myself & end up in stupid discussions/arguments with people who simply don’t care what is offered up on the show- they ship what they will, as they will, show be damned & it’s usually those who are the strong haters (go figure lol 😉 ) & so are not worth talking to/at- no matter how much proof is offered up, it wont change their minds.
For me, I try to understand why people like/want SF to work, but personally for me his actions (whether he felt them ‘for the best’ or not) in context of what he did, who he did it too & then his lack of remorse etc afterwards, is simply unacceptable (I wont go into why- it’s been done to death already 😉 ) & doesn’t point to TL in the context of the show. I guess for me, I relate to Emma really well, so that being a darn big deal breaker for me personally flavors my take on it- others may be more forgiving.
SF & CS are going to be compared strongly & constantly, as they are the only 2 suitors for her on the show currently (I don’t count Jeff as he isn’t ‘on’ the show as such, so it’s not very likely at this stage in the game given how things have played out) & if people ship one over the other they are going to offer reasons why- I have no problems with that- everyone is entitled to their opinions & frankly they can be interesting & highlight different aspects of ships I hadn’t noticed or considered before- as long as they don’t start going on about SF/CS never happening/ wanting one dead- just so their ship can happen, fans being insulted or bullied for who they ship or why they ship who they do, saying silly things like ‘such & such’ is canon, when it isn’t & my fav, saying A&E said ‘such & such’, when all they really said was the usual noncommittal phrases which basically equate to ‘not telling, you’ll have to watch & see what happens’ etc…. I REALLY hope the newbies that come in next season are mostly guys, because we have a growing number of chicks missing their princes now & only 2 guys front & center with them all, to fill the roles 😕
At the end of the day it’s the way they’ve set Emma up, that to me rules endgame SF out (I firmly believe SF will have their moment- I feel they need to to truly grow & move on), yet leaves the possibility for CS endgame at this stage (who knows where they will take us, it’s entirely possible she will end up with someone we haven’t meet yet or worse, she may not survive the series final). So far they have set Emma up as Neal being the greatest hurt in her life, the one that destroyed her trust to the point of totally walling herself off from letting people in, loving or ever truly trusting someone again- so for me, Neal could start singing rainbows into existence for baby Care Bares & I still wouldn’t love him as endgame for Emma- I might like HIM more, but not SF (I hope that distinction makes sense).
@yuka chan wrote:
@obisgirl wrote:
I watch soap operas too and this scenario, sounds too soapy for me. I don’t want Hook to be evil again. I think, when he came back from the finale, Hook is no more. He’s Killian again.
I agree with this! I also think having Hook go back to the “bad” side again would just make him Regina 2.0 with how she appears to be incapable of making a morally good decision without someone else to secure her there. I think Hook’s will to just be Killian Jones needs to be depicted as something he decided for himself rather than for Emma in order to for him to completely redeem himself.. Otherwise it’s like he’s repeating what he went through following Milah’s death (like Regina does), which takes away from his character development and the viewer is less likely to tolerate that too…
I never thought Neal would die like that. All I could think when he fell through the portal was “someone will probably find him or help him??” and that’s exactly what happened yet for me, it felt like Swanfire’s little thing~ had finally ended there. The “I love you”s were almost said out of desperation (hello, it was almost/pretty much like life and death here) as opposed to a basis for them to renew a romantic relationship. Personally, I think Emma and Neal’s relationship won’t be anything more than platonic by the end of this.
I Really don’t want them to have Killian do a Regina either- that is the one thing that drove me nuts with Regina this season- every couple of eps she goes from trying to be good, to a cold blooded, murderous psycho & back again – it gets very old, very fast & honestly it makes it VERY difficult to see how she can indeed be an accepted & cherished member of Charming/Stiltskin clan if they keep this up with her- I mean I think they’ve already crossed the line with the fact that the Mills have killed off all of Snows direct family line (aside from Emma & Cora tried to kill her, as has Regina- many times) & slaughtered hundreds of people who chose to hide Snow from Regina (that’s why Snow killing Cora & getting a blackened heart felt a little convenient to me). I’d hate for them to do the same for Killian- his character has too strong of a moral code for that sort of back & forth.
@vroni wrote:
Doesn’t #12 of List #2 belong in List #1??
And obisgirl: in which episode do you see that Emma kept the handkerchief? Guess I missed that one…
Thanks for pointing that out 🙂 Have edited the lists for they are now correct 🙂
MysteryKat25 wrote:
They *could* try and do a triangle since they put Snowing in a triangle and it would parallel that a bit, but I really can’t see how she would ever go to Neal unless she felt it was out of obligation to try for Henry’s sake and even then it wouldn’t make her happy because she’s not that teenage girl anymore. She’s a strong, independent woman full of magic (which he hates), a family that wants to go to FTL to be together (which he hates) and she knows full well he never had any intention of coming to find her because he would have stayed away from her had he known who she was / wanted to marry someone else who then tried to kill him and kidnap their son. Those are not things that Emma can just forget, at least not the way she’s been written so far.
If they insist on going the obligation route, other than me throwing things, it better be over fast and just be another way of paralleling CaptainSwan with Snowing. After all, David felt obligated to stay with Kathryn but was still drawn to MM so it wouldn’t *surprise* me if they did that, especially with Henry and Rumple shipping SF so much, but I really hope they address the fact that Henry should be happy having everyone he loves in his life and that sometimes, in the real world, parents don’t end up together but they can still get along for his sake. If this were JUST fairy tales in FTL, I could see people’s point about them being meant to be for Henry’s sake and how sweet it is that their kid is bringing them back together etc etc. But these are fairy tale characters INFLUENCED by the real world, none of them moreso than Emma, and she better than anyone knows that life isn’t always like a fairytale.
Agreed- but I do feel Neal & Emma need to finish what they’ve started (remember A&E have said Emma does still LOVE Neal- that love is real, but I think she will come to realize there is romantic love, love of the person who helped create your child, love of friends, love of family & previous/lost love that will always be a treasured memory & how everyone in her life falls with in those categories), so a brief ‘together’ would work nicely, where she & he realizes they no-longer romantically love one another, despite loving each other (if that makes sense) I think Neal already knows Emma is his 1st love, but it was a love of the past not the future- that is why he moved on, but he will try again for the sake of seeing if that love is still the same now, for Henry & because Emma still says she loves him too. Then it will be done & over.
It’d also help Henry “SEE” that Happy Ever Afters require ALL parties to be Happy- not just him getting what he think he wants (aka the 2 people who made him together), rather getting what he actually wants- his whole family in his life happy & full of love 🙂
Honestly I would rather Emma & Killian develop a deep friendship during S3- helping each other over come their old ways, with Emma coming to rely on & trust Killian before they jump into a romantic relationship together- maybe mid season3 could be Emma & Killian ‘toying & dancing’ around the idea of a relationship, but Neal returns & leaves them all reeling, S3 ends with Neal & Emma trying again, but accepting it’s over romantically & Henry having a problem accepting it, with Neal having issues about going back to FTL. S4 has SC happen by mid season & everyone’s reactions to it 😉If this is the set-up for true love on this show and CaptainSwan isn’t…then everything we ever knew is a lie and it’s all meaningless. Cause I just don’t understand…at all.
Agree 100% & that’s honestly why I don’t see SF as endgame or a ‘big’ scary obstacle for CS. Every TL couple we’ve seen on show, has been shown as having fought tooth & nail to be with their TL – not dumped them, run from them, then moved on with someone else as soon as they found out they were connected to someone evil/magical/bad etc Or out right said ‘if I knew WHO you were, I’d NEVER have gone near you’ (doesn’t TL destroy barriers of who & what people are on the show- a beast with a princess, a maid with a prince, a hunted princess turned bandit with a shepard/ fake prince?!?!)- Even Rumple who is supposed to be ruled by an evil curse & a total coward was going to go rescue Belle from her father to put right the wrong he had done in telling her to go, until Regina also told him she was dead. It’d make no sense at all for SF to be endgame unless they throw out all the previous TL/fate stuff (& besides one can argue strongly that Killian & Emma are bound by fate as TL- Killian may not be alive today if not for Rumple killing Milah, nor would Henry for that matter- Killian fished him out of the drink before he drowned or was killed by merfolk) 😉
I’m about to go to try going to sleep again (it’s 4am here), but maybe the easiest thing to do would be to pin the lists to the 1st page of the thread, so it can be easily accessed by us when required, rather than having to search through all the pages looking for it…. I can edit the post so it only includes the lists & nothing else if required as well?
@obisgirl wrote:
There’s a pirate doll in Emma’s nursery.
Ugh – seriously!? I totally missed that! Is it still in there in S2E3 I wonder …… I will add that to my ‘watch out for’ list, for when I next watch the series.
