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@Hookian wrote:
Here you guys go. 🙂
It’s the one that has Kindred Spirits as the title, we have over 62 threads. 🙂
Thanks for that will have a squizz 😉
Someone posted about the Emma’s ring/ Charming’s mother’s ring connection of love following it where ever it goes & Hook & Emma’s meeting/ FTL interactions being in the presence of it.
[adrotate group="5"]surayyaParticipant@Jbwood5 wrote:
Hook and Emma are not going to end up together. People really have to realize that by now. He is too devoted to the memory of Milah. And Emma will always love Nealfire, just as he will always love her. It is very possible hook and Regina could end up together. They have much more in common. They both have one true goal. Avenge the death of their true love, where Nealfire and Emma are both dealing with their daddy/mommy issues and both grew up alone and never had anybody till they found each other. Plus, everybody knows Henry is a smart kid who is going to realize this and will want to see his parents happy and what makes them happy will be each other with him. And I also think he will convince both Hook and Regina to give up on revenge and this will give them something to bring the 2 together to be happy. As for Snow and Charming they are either going to live happily ever after or we are going to see a Romeo and Juliet type ending for them.
Please no ship comments- that’s not what this thread is about!
I stated clearly that the scenario I posted was an EXAMPLE of an endgame happily ever after- Not what will or should happen pairing wise.
It is there to show what I was meaning by ‘perfectly neat & tidy’ endgame, ‘happy ever after’ come shows end, for all our main characters- NOTHING more (if I could have used other names & have it make sense I would have!)If you wish to discuss whether certain characters have gone too far across the line, to be a part of the type of ‘happy ever after for the 6’, then please post away 🙂
surayyaParticipantI’m with Phee.
I can see both sides of the fandom (kind of) though …I’d never think A&E should kill anyone off or change anything because I wanted it to be so- that’s insane! On the other hand, I have been gobsmacked by some of their decisions & directions this season, what with the ‘world’ rules set out in S1.I have found this season for me personally very hard- a few eps have been outright Awesome, a number I’ve both loved & despised & a number have been downright bad- for me.
I was an uber fan for S1 & part of S2, but it all got a bit soapy/out there, flawed & convenient for me, so I had to take a step back (these are characters I’d become very invested in after all & I did care what happened to them & why- fictional or not lol 😳 😉 ), rather than be overly disappointed & only having negative things to say about it (I was starting to get there at one point in time sadly!)
So I simply took breaks, enjoyed my other show & that fandom (Castle has pulled me through & bridged many Once disappointments 😉 but I steer clear of all but 2 of their sites as those fans can be very, very intensely creepy/ott, so it’s not just Oncer’s). Leaving me free to comeback to Once & catch up when I get an update that takes my interest & actually enjoy the show more- because I’m seeing where A&E are going over 2-4eps rather than simply focusing on just one little part/ep per week, of whatever arc they have going- that is what has helped me most, the holes & conveniences,can be overlooked for the larger story, as there is more to focus on than just those for a week, when things are …not so awesome 😉 Of course this only works while they haven’t ‘hooked’ me back in with an outstanding ep- but then it’s all good stuff to talk about 😆I don’t see myself as any less of a fan for doing for doing what I’ve done- it’s how I can stay a fan of the show, with some of the directions they’ve taken things & allows me to see the positives of the show, as well as the negatives.
The only deal breaker that would have me tuning out altogether, would be if they had a character/s go against who they have established them to be kind of thing.I didn’t know people were so nasty towards the show online in general though, maybe because I tend to stick with the nice sites I already know & love from S1 😉
I’m clueless when it comes to twitter, so I guess I don’t see all the A&E hate there when I do look at their pages & I must admit I haven’t hunted down spoiler or news like I did last season, so I must be avoiding all the ‘Once negativity’…. people really hate on Snow’s eyebrows??? 😮 that’s not creepy or weird lolI don’t think the difference between Once & Lost fan responses is so much steeped in an age difference, I think it’s more of the fact that social media has become even more openly ‘personalized’ & any random person can in fact have direct access to the creators/writers/actors of their favorite show at any time of day & these people are often times encouraged to respond or interact with the fandom via these medias, so the crazies pop out 🙄
surayyaParticipantOf course I’m not suggesting their endgame be planned for end of S2 or even S3 (if it happens) 😉
I’m not even really talking about the pairings as such for the endgames (I just used that as 1 of the many examples of how ALL the main character’s could have their loose ends tied up nicely & live happily ever after…. I’m not sure this particular scenario can happen now though 😕 ). I don’t want this to turn into a who should ship who thread lol 😉 .
It’s the endgame ‘happy ever after’ relationship, between ALL our mains, come end of the show as a whole that I’m talking about…..whether that be S3 or S10 it doesn’t matter at this point.I kind of see the core of the show as telling the story of our main 6 as a collective, with branching stories of those 6 as individuals coming off of it… but it all boils back down to the relationship of those 6 at the heart of the show (at least for me).
I’m certainly not talking about romantic relationships as a form of redemption either (though I personally cant see how the above relationships, could happen unless redemption etc, had already take place before they got together 😕 ….but that’s just me).
I see those as 2 very different aspects to the over all endgame, but not necessarily exclusive, since all 6 of our mains have shown or talked of their desire for true love/deep love, happiness & family (no I haven’t included Neal or Hook, as they aren’t considered ‘main’ characters…Yet! They are included in the OP scenario, as they both play big roles in the lives of the main 6 😉 )
The question is: At this point, is there to much bad blood- esp between Regina & Snow, for there to be a ‘realistic’ chance of something like the above ‘happy ever after’ scenario for them all?
surayyaParticipantOh yes please, a link would be good Hookian 🙂
surayyaParticipant@PriceofMagic wrote:
Regina isn’t going to harm Henry. She loves him and Emma knows this. With Cora gone, Storybrooke isn’t such a dangerous place. Tamara is keeping a low profile so she isn’t such an obvious danger to the other characters yet.
While I agree with you there- it’s only to a certain extent now, yes she loves him & I never used to think she’d harm him either, but is trying to find away to kill his entire bio family so she has him to herself, not harming him? (yes this could change again soon, but right now- this is where things stand).
I also disagree with you on how Emma feels, remember Emma has only ever seen Regina in moderate EQ mode once before (when Regina used magic on her, having been confronted about Archie) & she didn’t really take that too well then, telling her ‘she’d have nothing to do with Henry again’, now that was with magic being used against her, over a friend of the family being killed… Regina just stormed Gold’s with her mother, to take a magical dagger in order to effectively ‘rule’ them all, kill Snow, Charming & Emma (so Henry’s only family becomes Regina) & it was all right in front of her …. how is that a safe/healthy person for Henry to be around right now? (don’t get me wrong, I really like/love Regina as a character), but the fact is she has been involved in some horrific bad deeds, some of which are recent, that by real world standards would = locked up & never seeing your child again or even death. Add to this, Regina is in mourning over Cora, once that passes, she’ll have nothing left but to plan/act on getting Henry back- is it ok/safe for Henry- what if happened to get in the way again? Is the fact she would happily take out his entire bio family in the blink of an eye, if she could make Henry believe it wasn’t her ‘safe’ for Henry… the women is border line unhinged atm.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Ogres could breed like rabbits. Even one ogre can cause enough problems. Would Emma really want to put Hnery in that sort of danger especially with his tendency to run off when he thinks he knows best?
I guess they could, however I’ll take ogres over an unhinged EQ any day- they are predictable & while strong, not smart or magic; she is unpredictable in her actions (if not intent), strong, smart & magical- so therefore by far the larger threat.
Also Henry’s tendency to run off is down to him being pushed out being a FTL child & being excluded from life altering decisions- it started when his mother (Regina), made him think he was crazy for thinking FTL was real, Regina again fostered his running off, by trying to force Emma/his bio mum (who Henry had tracked down himself), out of his life for ever, it reared up again when Charming failed to include Henry in any plans to find his mother & grandmother/beloved teacher & again when he was pushed aside & thought his bio family was out to kill his adopted mum- I can understand why he has a tendency to run off, but he’s not stupid! If there where ogres in SB forest, I doubt he’d have run off into it by himself 🙄@PriceofMagic wrote:
Emma spent her entire life in this world, it’s all she’s known. Her first experience of FTL land was a confusing and unpleasent one. I don’t blame her for being a little hesitant to uproot her entire life to a place she didn’t even like being. Not forgetting how Charming remembers FTL is a lot different to what Emma and Snow experienced. Snow doesn’t want to go back to FTL, she’s just using Emma as an excuse.
You missed my point- she doesn’t actually have an ‘entire life’ here to uproot- she already said that in S1; the only place she has ‘settled’ isn’t actually part of ‘our’ world, it is a place magically created to exist with-in our world & if they left, her ‘entire world’ pretty much leaves with them, sure she’d have Henry, but he has already voted for FTL not real world. Emma wants her family around her as much as Snow does (if not more! They are still all living in a 2 bedroom apartment), so I cant see her staying if Charming wants to leave, Henry wants to leave, Snow wants her family together & her doubts about leaving are centered on not being certain Emma ‘wants’ to go to FTL, given Emma wants her family to be together & Henry to grow up in a safe, loving environment (this she can do in both worlds in all honesty).
Yes it wasn’t the nicest introduction to FTL she could have possibly hoped for- but how has real world been any better? If anything it’s been worse for her:In 28yrs here, she has never had family, only felt loved/cared for once, never feeling a sense of belonging,kinship or friendship, only feeling abandoned, unworthy & unloved- her experiences here haven’t exactly been all sunshine & roses.
In her short stint in FTL, she quickly had a sense of family & felt loved/cared for (the moment with Snow in the castle), felt a sense of belonging (in what should have been her room), kinship/friendship (at 1st, of feeling like she was out of her depth with Aurora, then with Mulan, Aurora & Snow, by being able to constructively help with their mission to return to their family)…. So in that short time in FTL, she found all the things she’s being longing for in real world + pretty much everything that happened in FTL (other than the ogre, which I’ll be honest- Snow took down with little effort) was the result of Cora’s hand.
Besides, if they go back to FTL, I’m sure things would change a little as they built their kingdoms/land back up, incorporating some of the mod con’s they’ve come to enjoy here- like flushing toilets for instance 😉
surayyaParticipantLol mysterycat, I hear you, but I was meaning was there now too much bad blood for that (or another version of it) ‘magical happy ever after’ endgame for all of our mains (A&E have said point blank we have 6 mains- Snowing, Emma, Henry, Regina & Rumple- so I’m thinking of all of them)?
How could Regina ‘fit’ into family life with all she’s done? That’s A LOT of murder of Snows family, A Lot of life lost & life destroying Snow has suffered directly from the hands of Regina, now….how is everyone meant to sit around the table & have a conversation with that in the back ground, I’m surprised Henry isn’t more upset about all of it as well…some of it is rather recent.
Neal & Emma are easy, I would just rather have the ‘real world’ raised characters, have real world happy ever afters…even if they stay here (I hope not) or go to FTL.surayyaParticipantI kind of understand their thinking with Emma’s conflict, to a point:
I get Emma maybe thinking twice about taking Henry to an ogre containing EF- but honestly, with Cora gone & Regina hell bent on going evil on everyone’s backsides & getting Henry back- FTL is by far the safest option for Henry right now (esp with Neal’s psycho ‘intended’ in town).
People don’t seem to have the same problems with killing off ogres as they do for humans, so those big blighters will be put back under control again soon enough anyway- it’s not like it hasn’t been done before & they’ve only had 2years to roam unchecked, so doubtful they’ll have reached their old ‘war time’ population levels in that short space of time- besides our world contains 10’s if not 100’s of thousands of killers, murders & monsters- I’d rather the dangerous monster you can see, than the one that hides in plain sight 😉I don’t understand the conflicted part for Emma herself, Emma’s family is from FTL, as others have pointed out Charming wants to return, Snow just wants to be with Emma, Emma wants Henry (& what’s best for him by extension), Henry wants all his family & has already stated he wants to go to FTL- I’m sure in Henry’s mind, he assumes Neal will follow.
Emma has never once mentioned friends for even people she cares about or care about her missing her- her only family is from FTL, all her friends are from FTL, even the place she now calls home is FTL transposed onto our world, which has become an extremely dangerous place to live in, given the people of our world’s reaction to ‘magical’ stuff- like ‘ET’, as Grumpy so eloquently puts it 😉 …. she has nothing in our world to stay for.
As far as Neal goes- if he cares about staying with Henry, he’d choose to live where he can see him, be it here or FTL, OR if his distaste for magic is greater than his desire to be with/near Henry, he & Regina can stay in our world (since one hates magic & the other is hate filled with it) & have/find happily ever afters here.
I’m sure Henry could understand that, given his level of understanding, as well as his concepts of right & wrong:
(1) It’s not like he hasn’t lived without his father until now.
(2) In all honesty it shouldn’t just be happy families when Henry finds out what Neal did to Emma ie, Frame her for jewelry theft, causing her to be imprisoned as a teenager, resulting in Henry being put up for adoption & that he abandoned her afterwards.
(3) If it was best for Regina not to be exposed to magic for her own well-being & that of everyone else around her (including Henry himself & his immediate family)- the same holds true of Rumple I guess, or for Neal to be exposed to a still ‘magical’ Rumple, it could almost be called poetic justice for the side of the family who is most tainted by magic, to be the ones staying in the world without magic.That’s just my own personal take on it though & seen from the point of Regina & Snow having so much bad blood under the bridge, it really has moved past the point of forgive & forget now!
surayyaParticipant@Hookian wrote:
A very wise choice.
But I’m glad you promote Snowing as well, same here. I mean CS and Snowing are definitely parallel couples. Which is actually really cool how since Colin broke his leg and Hook has been absent they have had Snowing parallel CS from the first beanstalk comment to Dark Snow’s storyline paralleling basically Killian’s from episode 11.
It’s actually very cool. It used to be Captain Swan-Snowing but now it’s Snowing-Captain Swan.
Yeah I was Snowing all the way until Hook came along 😉
I wasn’t a CS shipper until after seeing the 1st or 2nd ep they had together, but was dead keen to meet Hook after A&E description of their take on him before S2 started.I love how much time Snowing have gotten recently as well (though not a fan of darksnow- to many problems with having her heart blackened- like that means almost every FTL adult- including Granny, Red, the 7 dwarfs, Charming etc also have blackened hearts, so FTL is actually blackened hearts land…makes no sense to me), I’m just hoping the show pulls itself back together again & gets less soapy & more actual drama/fantasy again (got to admit, during my break of Once I submersed myself in Castle lol. Love how that show has seamlessly paired 2 characters, who should on paper, clash through personality relationship wise, together & not only does it work, but the show is more interesting, it’s more likable & relatable- that’s how Once used to feel, before it went all OTT & the characters went way out there, for me). Hook, CS & Snowing (less darksnow) are the only relatable things left for me, so I want plenty of those 3 things in the last 4 eps 😉
I also think that like Caskett, while Emma & Hook shouldn’t work on paper (through circumstance in this instance), like Caskett they simply have this insane, magical connection, that despite circumstance draws them together.
I also like the catch about Charming mother’s ring & true love following it + many of Emma’s & Hook’s moments resulting from being in connection to the ring 🙂
surayyaParticipantHave to vote Emma & Hook ( but love Snow & Charming as well- so hard to choose!!!!)
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