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Now, as for the whole “he slept with her child’s, father’s, mother” thing- it was 300yrs ago! Come on, it’s not like they had kids of their own or were still ‘together’?! 🙄
If that’s just OTT ‘wrong’ & weird isn’t allowed any more, then they may as well tank the show now, as their whole family tree is very narrow & it seems everyone is connected to everyone else, one way or the other- Snow/charming more so than others!
That’s like saying siblings from Family A, cant BOTH marry siblings from Family B (ie Male A, marries Female B & Female A, marries Male B), because 1) they are sisters & brothers-in law &/or 2) 1 of the A sibling’s, slept with the B’s mother 5yrs before either B was born for instance…. This is the real world folks- sleeping with someone’s distant family member- esp an in-law, is just not a big deal these days!
It’s not something I’d personally go out & achieve- but I’m sure it happens more often than never 😉
I’m sure there are people out there who have married someone they love after finding out they had slept with their mother in law- In this case 300yrs ago AFTER she had left your father in law! 🙄[adrotate group="5"]Loved watching Paleyfest too!
I’m just going to point out that for those people that need it pointed out- Remember ALL we know of Hook is from AFTER Rumple MURDERED Milah in front of Hook.All we know about Hook, as fact, from before then, is he was your typical swashbuckling pirate (so egotistical, cunning & a bit of a bully), whom when a sad, lonely lady, looking for adventure came calling & made it clear that she neither loved or wanted to be with her ‘loser’ husband Rumple, he took her under his sail (wing just doesn’t seem right lol)/ protection & eventually fell in love with her…… that is it.
No murder that we know of as fact before then & the only attempted murder he committed happened AFTER & ONLY to Rumple himself.
Remember Killian didn’t become Hook, UNTIL Rumple Murdered Milah- Period!
They guy knows how to use a gun, if he wanted Belle dead when he shot her, he’d have killed her- he wanted her to loose her memory & wounding her with the gun was the method he had at hand & so the method he used- If he was truly evil, he’d have killed Belle twice over already (not including her lying in the hospital with no memory of him & so is easy pickings), killed Aurora, Killed Emma/ Snow/ Mulan when he had the chance & also killed Rumple BEFORE he became the darkone & killed Milah.He hasn’t done 1/10th the bad/evil stuff Regina or Rumple has done (I doubt anyone…aside from Rumple can match Cora’s bad deeds to date), yet Hook seems to be taking the rap for his minor misdeeds, in the face of their real evil- people amaze me sometimes 😮 🙄
@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:
@Elle wrote:
I just WISH there was a way for Rumple to help Nealfire see everything that led up to him being the Dark One. That short short convo was so painful for me to watch. I just want Bae to KNOW EVERYTHINGGGG.
He knows why his father became the Dark One. What he didn’t like was how his father was killing people left and right and becoming more power-hungry. And he felt tortured being abandoned by his father.
I mean what we saw tonight
The roots. Before he was a coward. I know he said he knew his papa was a good man at one point but even so he still thought as a good man he was still a coward.His problem wasn’t (from what I can gather) that his father was a coward- it was, as was pointed out, because his father was going around killing people for pathetic reasons, just because he could- he had turned evil & in Bea’s mind, Rumple gave his love of Bae up, in order for powerful/evil magic. He knew his father loved him BEFORE he became the darkone, it was Rumple’s actions afterwards that destroyed Bea’s trust/love of his father.
I have to go against the grain here- I didn’t really find this ep near as ‘Epic’ as I wanted to & thought it would be tbh…. guess it was due to it all being pretty obvious & therefore lacking in mind blown-ness- Not on account of spoilers this time 😉 It was just E&A didn’t pull anything outta the box that fans hadn’t already guessed from as far back S01E02, so it was flat storyline wise for me….. I’d have to say that was my dislike, as there wasn’t any moments that I thought of as bad (other than Cora living up to being Cora), it just felt like more of a fuller episode for is all.
Liked was Emma & Snow’s ph conversation, Emma & Neal moments & Snow & Charming ‘thanksgiving’ conversation 🙂
@AngieBelle wrote:
@Surayya wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
It didn’t bother me that much with Graham- I was able to take his death…and really he is the only major death they’ve done. All the other deaths have been of minor side characters or ones we knew were doomed in advance or fake outs like with Archie and Katherine. I just really don’t want to see anything happen to the Charmings, Rumple, or Regina. (Or Belle since she is my favorite fairytale character of all time.) I want to believe they are safe. They are too important to the core story of the show.
A&E have said NONE of the characters are safe- Like you, I don’t want to see the Charmings (or Hook for me at this point), come to an untimely end- I could understand why killing Regina or Rumple would work for their respective total redemptions- but I would be sad about it as i’ve come to like them both a lot.
Personally (& I broke my own rule here with Hook lol), I try not to get to attached to the minor & guest characters, as like you say- they tend to get knocked on the head a lot, or simply never seen or heard of again lol 😉The point is, A&E do like the dramatic & they have told us all along ‘there will be casualties’ & again, ‘no one is safe’ & that’s what makes me nervous.
I know it *can* happen…they are the writers- they can do whatever they want. I just hope they don’t! I am very nervous too- especially about the ominous clue regarding the end of the episode. I have trouble imagining how the show could go on without any one of those core characters- it could be show suicide. It may be idealistic, but I want even Rumple and Regina to find real happiness by the end of the series. I don’t mind A&E putting everyone through the ringer- you need drama for a good story, but death is permanent!
It’s like the musical Into the Woods that I have a total love-hate relationship with…I love many of the songs, love the mish mash of stories…but hate the second act because half the characters get killed!
I know- I’m exactly the same way, I don’t want to see them (any of them) die- sadly that’s what makes them prime targets tho & with E&A telling us point blank from the word do, that no one is safe, other wise there would be no real danger- I always get a bout of nerves when ‘ominous events’ are going to take place, because it may well be our mains.
@Ser_Dragon wrote:
– I could understand why killing Regina or Rumple would work for their respective total redemptions-
I really don’t get that Redemption Equals Death trope. I find it really disturbing to say the least. I hope Rumpel or Regina won’t have to die in order to being redeemed. If they must die I don’t want it to be for that reason. Please writers you can do better than that.
I didn’t say I liked it 😉
I said I can understand it, for this reason- Rumple & Regina have destroyed & murdered so Many people, that for totally, honest, honourable & meaningful redemption, very, very little, if anything short of willingly sacrificing themselves for those they love, those they hate & the ‘good’ of the rest of the EF folk, is going to cut the mustard to help make amends. They have quite frankly committed some pretty full on atrocities & while we may see the the emotional reasons that lead them to do what they did, it doesn’t change the fact they committed them (for the most part without hesitation, it’s not like they had their arms twisted- they choose to do what they did). Remember forgiveness & redemption are 2 very different things, so they may well be forgiven their actions by some, but still not redeemed.
I kind of think of Prof. Snape when it comes to those 2, his death, while tragic, gave him honour & redemption, as well as forgiveness in everyone’s eye’s (or I’d hope so anyway- I still wish he had lived tho) & he didn’t actively do half of the twisted stuff Rumple & Regina have done 😉
So like I say, I can understand it, but I still would rather they all lived happily ever after – ALL of them 😉I’d posted this in another thread, but it really needs to be in here too, since I’ve always paralleled Hook & Emma’s interactions with Charming & Snow’s & this is the Capitan Swan thread after all lol 😉
Here are the parallels so far:
How Hook & Emma meet, with Charming & Snow- Charming trapping the thief Snow in a net & forcing her to get back his ring, Emma trapping Hook & forcing him to get their ticket home.
Hook & Emma’s trip up the bean stalk & Charming & Snow’s forest walk to the Troll bridge- both Charming & Hook poked & prodded until Snow & Emma revealed something deep & meaningful about themselves.
Snow & Emma then both ditched their guy’s in order to carry out their own goals- Snow shoved Charming into the river & Emma chained Hook a wall up a beanstalk (much more effective). Then both guys turn back up help to the girls out & let them know they don’t do mindless killing of women (Charming with the Queens men, Hook with Auroras heart & throwing his fight with Emma).
Grr just had another one, but have lost it 😕
I’ll add to the list as I remember them or as others point them out (don’t see the point of starting a whole new thread for it when it fits this thread perfectly 😉 ).
@dub1026 wrote:
So after reading through it some more, I see several of you are offended and/or upset and/or find my post VERY immature and immediately confrontational, as one put it… Wow! If anyone should be offended at this point, its me. Here on this website, we are all real human beings, however the show we watch it not real. So is it justified for you to belittle me and my opinions over a fictional character? I have free will to write in here, as everyone else does, but it has been taken to a completely different level. If you dont like the post, dont read it. There was NOTHING meant to come off as offensive, insensitive, confrontation, or the like. It was MY opinion, and ME stating that MY first reaction to thinking about someone dating their childs grandmothers boyfriend, which would be EWWW! Grow up, really.
I’d try take it with a grain of salt…. sometimes people over react to innocent things on account of past experiences they’ve had & sometimes it’s hard to tell how old someone is by their posts alone- is there even an age restriction to join these forums?
I guess the nature of these things is unless there is an age restriction, you are going to get over reactions, from younger &/or passionate fans (no disrespect intended to anyone here- I’m generalising).I see both points of view here, at the end of the day I personally didn’t find your thread topic offensive, but could see how a younger reader may well construe it as an attack on their fav character- it just cant be helped given people with say 50 yrs age difference (again generalising), can be posting on the same thread- they have vastly different life experiences, usually very different understandings & view points, so things can get lost in translation sometimes.
About 6 pages in or so, people just start talking about the subject matter rather than why the thread was started- when I 1st posted I hadn’t read from the beginning, so had no idea about all the drama lol.
It is fun reading everyone’s different take on the Hook/Emma, Neal/Emma, Neal/Rumple, Rumple/Henry relationships & why, once the subject was picked up again- so I thank you for starting the thread, despite it going off topic & doing loops for a few pages, it has otherwise been an interesting thread 🙂@AngieBelle wrote:
It didn’t bother me that much with Graham- I was able to take his death…and really he is the only major death they’ve done. All the other deaths have been of minor side characters or ones we knew were doomed in advance or fake outs like with Archie and Katherine. I just really don’t want to see anything happen to the Charmings, Rumple, or Regina. (Or Belle since she is my favorite fairytale character of all time.) I want to believe they are safe. They are too important to the core story of the show.
A&E have said NONE of the characters are safe- Like you, I don’t want to see the Charmings (or Hook for me at this point), come to an untimely end- I could understand why killing Regina or Rumple would work for their respective total redemptions- but I would be sad about it as i’ve come to like them both a lot.
Personally (& I broke my own rule here with Hook lol), I try not to get to attached to the minor & guest characters, as like you say- they tend to get knocked on the head a lot, or simply never seen or heard of again lol 😉The point is, A&E do like the dramatic & they have told us all along ‘there will be casualties’ & again, ‘no one is safe’ & that’s what makes me nervous.
@tiara_rose wrote:
Maybe they make something like Harry Potter. If you are willing to sacrifice, you will survive.
You mean actively seeking death for a chance that ‘good/ your side’ may possibly have a chance of winning, as opposed to simply fighting a battle you are likely to die in? I see both as sacrifice is all – anybody who goes into battle is effectively willing to sacrifice themselves to theoretically save those they are battling for.
I wonder if it will come down to “The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing” but by doing so, someone must die OR it comes down to which way the prophecy is interpreted- will doing/acting on it, cause it to come to pass, OR will not acting on it cause it to come to pass. It could be that that in order for it to come to pass Henry will have to do something that will put him extreme peril- but Gold cant tell if this action will cause the final battle to be won or lost- so has doesn’t know which way to turn now Henry is ‘family & no longer simply another disposable pawn in his major game plan’
