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Wonder if Emma has been tying him up again- seems to enjoy doing it a lot 😉 😛

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OMG! I just saw that the hook was part of JMo “things that make her smile” series- full Tweet:

Love how they Colin & Jen ship CS as hard as we do 😛

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*Waves to Bo*

Winking at surayya…(poof in poof out) From Jennifer Morrison on her Twitter feed;

*dies*

If we actually see his hook hung up in the sheriffs office, I will probably die of fangirling 😉

You know what that reminded me? This season two quote Jen said in the Behind the Magic magazine. “I think, ultimately, she is the product of true love, so genetically her makeup is going to want to find her own true love. What I’ve tried to maintain within her is that there is always this flame of hope, even if it’s the tiniest flame. Even though she is so guarded and protected, there is this little flame, and you see glimpses of it at times with the Sheriff and with Hook.” – Jennifer Morrison (Once Upon a Time: Behind the Magic) Emma had a flame of hope for love with Graham and now, she definitely has it with Hook. The fact this picture brings it full circle now….the FEELS!!!

This & the fact JMo (& A&E from memory) have already said Emma wasnt actually telling Hook “Nope, not interested”, but was actually shutting her own emotions down because she “was interested”, to try prevent being hurt again & in fact “Needs” someone who will “challenge & push her fears”, rather than back off & leave her on her own whenever she lets her fear drive her, is what ticks me off so much about the “rape culture” argument (sorry to mention it!)… I’m trying to figure out a very neutral unbiased way to word this for another thread (not the ticked off part lol, just the whats been said about it), as want to do something similar to RG in that thread- the bad stuff fans see in each of the ‘main’ cannon ships, the good stuff & then the ‘facts’ the actors, writers & A&E have given about what is supposed to be being seen.

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OHHHHHH! I Want some too!

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ROFL AT THIS CAPTION!!

LOLOLOL!!!!!

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Just saw this spoiler-
“”Any scoop on Emma from Once Upon a Time? I’d like to know if we’ll get any flashbacks on her past? — Alex
We will! In fact, we’re going to get a lot more information about her childhood. “In the first half of the season, we’re going to see more of Emma’s past than I think we’ve seen in all the other previous seasons combined,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me.””
I’m so HAPPY! Cant wait to see this 🙂 🙂 🙂
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/09/12/spoiler-room-svu-agents-shield-blacklist-spoilers/

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depiction and message of love and romance in Once Upon A Time, generally speaking and not directed at any ship whatsoever. That felt like safer ground rather than singling out one ship.

First off, thank you! thank you! thank you! I honestly had to take a breath & and leave this site when I saw the thread you mention- As you have done, I wanted to point out how each ship on the show can easily be made to be seen as promoting very negative aspects of human behavior- from Rumbelle to Snowing, SQ to Regina/Graham, SF to Ariel/Eric, But decided not to bother as I doubted it would be welcome there. This is a much more appropriate, unbiased & less confrontational way to talk about the subject of relationship portrayals, without it singling out & alienating any one ship (& therefore group of fans) as being in ‘poor taste’.

So much to read & comment on- I’ll take it one couple at a time & try not to get to off topic 😉

1st Snowing:

Snow White and Prince Charming (Snowing) Idea: the perfect true love Problem: an almost obsessive, unable to exist outside of each other love. As of the end of S3B, Snow and Charming literally share a heart. If one of them dies, it’s likely that the other will drop dead as well. There have been times on the show when, given the choice between her husband or her child, Snow has declared her choice, easily, to be her husband. Now I’m not married nor do I have children so I don’t know if this considered normal (please chime in on this if you’re knowledgeable).  Is this sort of all consuming love healthy? Or natural? Or even possible?

As S3 progressed I actually started to feel this way about them as well, so to a large extent I agree that Snowing often has come off as obsessive or at the very least, very needy… I think Snow more than Charming in most cases & it got quite  annoying- although being separated & living a lonely cursed life for 28yrs could make almost anyone rather needy I guess :/

I’m not married, nor do I have children, so cant really comment on the kids 1st thing- but I do think maybe once your children have grown into self sufficient adults, you should probably put your partner 1st in most cases, since that is the person who you are actually, ideally spending the rest of your life with etc. where as adult children move away as a natural process of living their own lives (I totally get this isnt the case for every culture though, so it’s just a loose personal opinion). I guess what I’m trying to say (not very well), is I think the dynamics of parent & child change as children grown into mature adults- hope that makes sense.

I’d also like to add that S1 Snowing in a weird way, promoted the idea of ‘cheating on spouses as being acceptable if you truly feel drawn to someone else’. I mean how many people decided they no longer wanted Snowing together when Charming cheated on his ‘wife’? Most of us pretty much thought ‘they’re cursed, so we’ll let it slide’.

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Snowing represents the loved up, can’t live without each other aspect Rumbelle represents the loving someone even their flaws aspect SwanFire represents the innocent first love aspect. OutlawQueen represents the love after death aspect CaptainSwan represents the second chance aspect

I really like this point, well spotted & I am going to steal it for use else where if you dont mind? 🙂

I think the message of Once in regards to love and romance is that there is no perfect relationship. Most fairytales end with “and they lived happily ever after” (usually as the characters get married). Once shows that even these “happily ever after” relationships have their ups and downs. For example, RumBelle fight and sometimes Rumple screws up big time, but they still love each other deeply.

This, absolutely this!

Is the ONCE love displayed by Snowing different than the Bella/Edward pairing because ONCE is essentially about fairy tales?

Dont hate me for it, but the Twilight saga books are a guilty pleasure of mine- I LOVE Alice, Jasper & Carlisle *hangs head in shame* lol 😛 Seriously though, I dont see a difference at all between the 2 mentioned couples- both are overly co-dependent IMO. I guess the big question is “Is that level of codependency seen as acceptable for ‘fantastical’ works of fiction, because it isnt healthy in reality, or realistic in nature? Or does it kind of fall under the same purview as 1st person shoot em up type RPG’s do- where people actively run around fictional or ‘based on reality’ worlds, with the sole purpose of killing?”

Do we accept Snowing’s love as more pure because of genre? And…is THAT okay?

I dont think either one is more pure personally-genre differences or not.

Should we expect that these relationships have a measure of reality to them? Do they need to, in order to be believable? Or should we make them as fantastical as possible to dissociate from reality?

I think, no matter how far fetched these relationships may seem, there is a measure of reality in each relationship for the very points POM pointed out- The fact we have very real concepts of types of love being portrayed, yet set up in such utterly fantastical ways, means they are in reality duel nature’d- they hold just enough ‘reality’ to be relatable, but are portrayed in a utterly fantastical fashion so we can dissociate from them if we choose too- If that makes sense (It’s getting late here).

I think the relationships need to be identifiable with the audience so they have to have some measure of reality to them. However, people also watch the show as a form of escapism, they want to get lost in this fantasy world so you can’t make it too reality based. it’s a fine line to walk.

POM said it way better than I did 😉

The question, to the general public, then becomes: is ONCE leaning one way or the other? Are the relationships and love stories on ONCE more for escapism and can never be replicated in the real world without dangerous consequences; or are they grounded in a reality that we understand and can mimic?

I think the general public would lean towards fantastical escapism & I base that solely on what I’ve seen & heard. I think those who watch a fantasy drama hoping for more realistic or harsh realities to unfold, are just going to wind up disappointed in the show & change channel. That’s not to say everything that happens plot or relationship wise has no basis in reality, because it does, just that fantasy by its very nature is reality wrapped in a sparkly, ‘unlikely’ package 😉 Nor have I encountered any casual viewers who delve into the relationships or plots – pros or cons, like we do- they are simply watching to be entertained (I have family members & a great deal of friends who “watch & enjoy” Once, but they dont participate in our crazy fandom at all- I consider them to be “casual viewers/public audience”- I often think they have a better idea of the show’s actual concepts than we do sometimes- since they dont watch through shipping or anti ship goggles 😉 ).

Will come back tomorrow & give thoughts on the other relationships- it’s to late now, but I’m loving this thought provoking thread 🙂

 

 

 

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Fantasy fiction or not, the realities of a woman’s place in that world were bleak at best.

Oh yes, totally & I think in many ways the show is doing a really good job showing just that- I mean, not every day you see women depicted happily working with their & others urine & accepting as normal they’ll be pushed & man handled roughly when & if it pleases the men of their society to do so.

Things like that really stand out as jarring in comparison to the things I see Once accused of portraying/promoting- I’ve never seen anything go down on Once like what went down in the ladies ‘hut, thing’ with Angus, I actually found that scene the hardest to watch, as it was so belittling of Claire & women in general.

Still, the show is doing a seriously good job of portraying what it was likely like back then- good for women or not.

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LOL, just saw the ‘jokes only Once fans will understand’ & had a giggle at some of them- here’s some honorable mentions

http://www.buzzfeed.com/keelyflaherty/jokes-only-once-upon-a-time-fans-will-understand#30q5ed9

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I always thought that was a sign she was concerned for Hook’s safety, whether over Neal’s I don’t think she’s that mean, but definitely Hook was in the forethought of her mind. To play devil’s advocate I think she saw Hook being taken by the shadow and yelled out to him, whereas she had her back to Neal and didn’t see what happened to him until he yelled for her.

Yes, I did as well. I didnt mean, Emma’d just choose to let Neal die or anything like that- I meant her focus was more on Hook’s well being in that moment, than on Neal’s- she looks at Neal as he’s grabbed & slammed into his tree, so see’s whats happening to him, but doesnt call his name in panic like she did with Hook. So my point was in that moment of panic over Hook being taken & slammed into the tree, then starting to have his shadow ripped out, Emma maybe glimpsed the realisation of just how much Hook had come to mean to her- ie. had already started to want to move on with her life after Neal.

I really dont think A&E would have ever made Emma make the choice of who lives & dies between Neal & Hook- that’d be just be another cruel blow she doesnt need IMO

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