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As for the Hook leaving Emma in jail thing — I think those that don’t want to see the context, aren’t. 1) As said, Emma trapped Hook first. He had no idea she made a deal with Anton to let him live, and he had very real reason to believe she left him to die. The important part of the scene, in that context, is that Hook is not only ‘you tried to kill me’ upset, but more importantly, he’s ‘you betrayed me when I wanted to help you’ upset. Because of the connection they made on the beanstalk. 2) I still don’t think for a second Hook believed he was leaving the girls in the jail cell to die. He knows the Dark One well, and I think he suspects the Dark One wasn’t really and truly trapped in there – ie, they could get out. The point of leaving her there is, he knows Emma already. He knows she’ll get out. Because he knows she can do it (contrast to Neal’s “you think you can do it?” comment about the watches. Oh, the haters. They’re really scraping the bottom of the bowl with the whole ‘arm grabbing’ argument. Seriously, in your entire life, has no one ever tried to keep you from walking away from them? Really? Because if no one’s ever grabbed your arm like that or done something to the equivalent you’re either less than a year old or incredibly, incredibly sheltered. I grab my son on a daily basis – otherwise he’d have been hit by a car, set the house on fire, drowned in the bathtub or fallen off the couch! But I choose not to think about that – did you see the gif/video where he grabs her with the hook? Oh my…I don’t know why but that just gave me all the feels!
Yep, exactly, which is why I dont even bother discussing Hook’s motives over doing so anymore, instead I point out the outcome of his leaving her in jail (since the haters keep pointing it out) vs Neal leaving her in jail (since they wont see that as wrong/bad)- they have not as yet even bothered arguing the outcomes, because they cant lol
Oh, no I havent seen that particular gif yet! Can some link or post it here please? 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]OH my fghtbhgthe!!!! I couldnt hear Killian saying “Emma, Sweetheart” when I watched this clip the 1st time:
But this is just beyond sweet- he’s never called anyone sweetheart before *dies*. I really hope they use that line in the show 🙂
On a sadder note, I took a trip down the rabbit hole into tumbler land & see there’s another raging hate session going on by the haters, apparently Hook now is the poster child of portraying rape culture because he “grabs Emma’s arm” to stop her in the vid ….. *head desk*
Funny how the same argument hasnt been used to say Rumple, Charming, Neal, Emma, Snow, Regina, Graham etc. are all promoting rape culture … poor, sad, sad, little haters.
@obisgirl we seriously need a scene with the Brotherhood of Badassery: Hook, Hood, Charming, Knave and Rumple tromping thru the woods with the snark flying
That would be the most awesome scene ever 🙂
Whilst both Neal AND Hook left Emma in a cell, I think Neal’s actions hurt Emma more because she loved him and trusted him whereas with Hook at that point in time, she kind of expected it since she left him at the top of the beanstalk and she wasn’t emotionally close to him.
Oh yes agreed, unfortunately the haters tend to use Hook leaving the girls in jail as an excuse for why CS can not happen/is unhealthy (but Neal was right having her sent to jail, because he had to for her own good o.O ) yet the outcomes of both men actions prove otherwise (which is what CS’ers have said all along).
Also did anyone think Hook’s apology to Belle was more genuine than Regina’s apology to Belle? Whilst Hook’s apology wasn’t exactly heartfelt (It was more of a sheepish I know I did wrong can we please move on from it now please) and Belle accepted it in a it’ll have to do because there are more important matters at hand kind of way, Hook did follow through and help Belle. Belle didn’t have anything Hook wanted, it wasn’t like she wasn’t going to help so there was no reason for Hook to apologise (although he absolutely should’ve apologised to her and I’m glad he did) what I mean is Belle’s help wasn’t dependent on Hook apologising.
Thats a really good point, I never thought about it before & I have to agree.
Question is, would Regina have apologised if she’d thought to use the candle in the first place?
Highly unlikely IMO.
Anyone else dying for spoilers of Killy’s new getup .. pretty sure the CS & Once fandom as a whole will break the internet when those get ‘leaked’ online 😉 *Excited, excited, excited!* 😀 😀 😀
Was it just the idea of getting Snow and Charming working together for a common goal and that was the reason he ‘needed’ their help?
Yes this.
@surayya I think Hook leaving Emma and other princesse in that cell is nothing compered to Neal living her in prison for a Crime she did not commit. Emma was the first one who left Hook behind. And they have just met each other. No relationship history there. Neal sent his lover to jail. No comperation here.
Yes- I know & feel the same way. However I wasnt comparing the actions of the guys with each other, only with the outcome of Emma’s emotional state, nothing else 🙂
My point is in terms of potentially crappy out comes for Emma’s suitors- Hook’s ‘worst’ action against Emma (leaving her in a cell without knowing with absolute certainty that she & the others could escape it 1st), compared to the potentially crappy outcomes of Neal’s ‘worst’ action against Emma (abandoning her in jail), the outcome of Hook’s action had far in away less/ if any negative emotional outcome for Emma at all- in fact it highlighted a very important fact- if she let her past rule her future, she was likely going to end up very alone & unloved eventually.
So the bottom line is between her suitors- Neal screwed up in a way that was pretty much impossible for Emma forgive & forget on a “romantic” level story wise. (As in Neal was written as Emma’s tragic past)
When Hook screwed up, Emma came out if not slightly better off, then at least more self aware than she started out story wise. (As in Hook being written as Emma’s catalyst for growing past her emotional damage & towards a ‘HEA’ future)
Hope that makes sense to you now 🙂I agree lady- which is why I said the bottom line comes down to the End result of Neal’s worst actions with Emma = Emma with even bigger, fully cemented trust issues-that prevent her from loving or trusting anyone for 28yrs, but eventually finding her family as a ‘bright side’.
While the end result of Hook’s worst actions (leaving her in Rumples cell in S2) with Emma = Emma & princesses find the magical squid ink they are looking for & Emma realises, perhaps for the 1st time, how her not letting go of the past can & will directly affect her future if she lets it. 😉
