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I was literally just about to post something exactly like that too!
Hahaha, great minds all think alike 😉
[adrotate group="5"]Umm, thats really weird- It’s saying there’s 1105 pages in the forum, but it wont let me go to page 1105, I just get get the thread title & the ‘write your post’ box :/ & now I;m back on pg 1104 it says there is no pg 1105? Forum gremlins must be at work again 😉
@surayya FEEL Better soon!
Yummmm, Tea makes me feel better every time, thank you 🙂
Get better! (I like to do the same when sick, awake in the night, writing and posting for example in forums, but then am sleeping away the day).
Hehe- I’m glad I’m not the only one who does it- I feel so much more normal now 😉
And Eddy said, it’s the idea that there is only one person. Idea = content of the mind, belief, notion, thought.
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways. As I said, weighing every word only with caution, because it was a panel, but they kept it vague. One can say, to try to keep fans happy (the more negative view), but as well one can say, to keep their writing options open (in a positive sense, they would be fools to get even deeper into the dead-end the pixie dust already has put things into). It wasn’t well said and hasn’t made fans happy (so if that was their intention, they failed) though.
Nods in agreement.
where I disagree is with Eddy’s entire definition of what a SM is. The one thing I would counter is that Eddy did not say he thinks a SM is when there is only one perfect match
At SDCC yes, you are correct, that is how Eddie words it- Adam states it’s ‘when people “Think” they have only one SM’ in a later interview- I know I got it as a direct quote off of an interview with Adam… I just cant remember which one it was now darn it! :/
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways.
Yes, this.
The problem is we can not verify if someone is our solumate or not. There is no way to know for sure but the idea is very tempting. You can think you’ve met your solmate many times and never be rigth
Unless you have pixie dust 😉 – if you have pixie dust it can tell you who your soul mate is- you just follow it to the lucky lad or lady lol 😉 :p … well at least according to Tink, it can 😉 lololol
Hmmm, here’s an interesting thought I just had- what if Robin = Regina’s SM, is only Tink’s opinion on the matter & not actual ‘fact’ at all? Maybe the dust simply found the best romantic match for Regina & the whole “he’s your SM” is nothing more than Tink’s personal opinion on the matter & since Regina believed her opinion to be fact, she just opened her heart & went for it- kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy I guess.
The end has the CS stuffOne thing I find interestingly similar is how both Neal and Hook’s actions are the extreme ends of the spectrum, and rarely ever land in the middle, or safe, zone.  Honest, righteous Killian loses his brother thanks to his king, and so he becomes the total antithesis – a pirate. He acts somewhat ambivalent to Emma in S2, but it’s obvious he’s covering his deep attraction to this woman who he both understands completely and is totally baffled by. Hence when he does fall in love, he FALLS IN LOVE.
I totally agree- I wrote this on another site as the bottom line between why I ship CS over SF:
End result of Neal’s worst actions with Emma = Emma with even bigger, fully cemented trust issues-that prevent her from loving or trusting anyone for 28yrs, but eventually finds her family as a ‘bright side’.
End result of Hook’s worst actions with Emma = Emma & princesses find the magical squid ink they are looking for & Emma realises, perhaps for the 1st time, how her not letting go of the past can & will directly affect her future if she lets it.
& this is where the shipping glasses come into play- many SF fans dont really consider Neal as he is written or take the outcomes of his actions seriously, they only seem to consider him as what they want him to be- Emma’s one & only TL & that is where the problems lie. If you actually take a step back & really just focus on the story telling rather than characters personal/romantic relationships- it gets pretty darn clear where the story is going early on & why.Naww, JMo expanded on Emma keeping a memento of Graham:
. @gozdeuca A common theme that came up in the memoirs that I read written by people who had beed raised in the foster system, was that they held onto small significant objects that they kept with them their whole lives. Graham was extremely significant to Emma and I wanted to find something she could keep with her in memory of him. The shoelace was something that @jamiedornan and I came up with while chatting about this idea. His boots, missing one lace, are still in Emma’s office in the sherif station as well. ‪#‎askjen‬ ‪#‎uglyducklings‬
I just love getting insights like these about the characters- Emma also has Killian’s scarf (from the smoldering hand bandaging) in her office draw doesnt she?
Oh, I wonder if Killian traded the JR with Knave or Ana or someone in WL- that could be a way to get Knave to SB & make Bo very happy 😉 lol
I wanted to add something to the ship thing, not only was the JR valuable to Hook, sentimentally, but also in terms of currency to actually manage to get a bean with it. The JR is well sought after. Blackbeard wasn’t going to give her back. She’s made from enchanted wood – I can imagine that’s quite valuable these days since the Blue Fairy used the last enchanted tree for the wardrobe. She’s the fastest vessel in all the realms. And wouldn’t have been called the Jewel of the Realm for nothing. So in terms of being something with an actual value it’s lucky Hook had her, otherwise I don’t think he would have got a bean so easily. As sentimentally valuable as a chipped cup or a swan pendant are they would never be able to be traded as a useful commodity. One bean for something as valuable and useful as the JR seems like a very cheap trade to me. He could have traded that ship for absolutely anything, but all he needed was a bean so that’s all he wanted for her. Virtually three lifetimes worth of memories, a home, something with an actual tangible value all traded away for a glimmer of hope.
Perfectly said, I couldnt agree more, I wanted to make a similar point, but dont need to now- you said it so much better than I could have.
It’s simply convenient for haters to forget the facts in favor of their septic head cannons. They are in reality watching the same show, but their insistence on twisting the show to meet their head cannons morph the story into a totally different one from cannon.Neal was a generally likeable guy but there were two instances where he was almost written a bit too OOC: Rolandgate and bringing back Rumple. Whether that was an attempt to show a Rumple streak in him or not, I don’t think even Rumple would do what Neal did such as using an innocent child as bait. When Rumple had to use Roland against Robin, it was against his will but he never would have done that of his own free will.
See to me, it “almost seems OOC” Only IF his actions towards Emma (aka Jail, abandonment, his treatment of her in S2) have been “excused”. The writing was on the wall even back in S1- I dont think Neal fans really truly took to heart that Neal has always been written as the person who cemented Emma’s elephant sized trust issues. They loved the actor & Rumple, so ‘forgave’ Neal his actions- despite the direction of the story.
Neal was shown to have a selfish, cowardly streak right from the start & it reared it’s head on a number of occasions, we’ve discussed them many times here- yes, sure he had a change of heart & went back to the apartment to make sure his father didnt kill Emma for breaking her deal with him & he stepped up to be Henry’s father- but that is 2 instances in a long list of not so great actions ie. sending her to jail, abandoning her a number of times, belittling Emma & demeaning her skills/talent, taking her to task for tracking him down, when it was him who had wronged her, his double standards towards others etc. The problem is SF/NF fans gave him a pass & put a more positive spin on these not so great actions actions- they excused them as acceptable or o.k despite the direction of the story telling, so come S3 all the smaller slips didnt count in their eyes & his bigger slips into even ‘less than stellar’ actions seemed to come out of nowhere & were OOC for them- yet here in the CS thread none of us where surprised at all- we saw it coming from way back in S2- I remember thinking they were going to set Neal up as the next DO in S2 & S3 & I wasnt the only one who felt that way… that wasnt because he was Rumple’s son or we didnt want him with Emma, it was purely because he was written with the glimpses of darkness/nastiness & the potential to do very cowardly & ‘dark’ things right from the get go, as was proven in S3, we just didnt put him on a pedestal & refuse to see his actions for what they were.
I think many of us saw Hook as darkness working towards lightness & Neal as lightness working its way towards darkness, which put people off of shipping him with Emma.
Getting back to the Hook sacrificing his ship topic, and I hope I’m not rehashing anything anyone already brought up (if I am, sorry in advance), I have to laugh at the expressed point that some people make that Hook was just being selfish. You know, the argument could be made that by Hook giving up his ship he was the true hero of 3B. That action in of itself was the catalyst for the curse being broken. The fact is that had he not traded his ship, Emma would never had gone back to SB with Henry and Regina would not have been able to use her white magic to defeat the WW. Sure, Hook traded the JR for another chance with Emma, but if he were truly selfish he would have stayed in NY and tried to ingratiate himself in her and Henry’s life (that I would have loved to see, if not only of the comedic blunders of Hook trying to fit in a big city). Instead, he brought her to SB because by his own admission , her family needed her. His home is gone and it was the only thing of value he had. The chipped cup, although a powerful symbol of love was never someones home, and neither was the Yellow Bug or the Swan necklace so I don’t get the comparisons to those objects to the value of the JR and what it meant for Hook to give it up. On the other hand, Neal is hailed as a hero. Why? Because for purely selfish reasons he brought the DO back because he felt that was his only shot at getting back to Henry and Emma (and in no way shape or form was he planning on ever trying to get into Emma’s pants because apparently Neals’ love transcends Taco Time). Neal saved the town by giving them the WW’s name. The same WW who would not have had the power to do all that damage had she not had control over the DO. Thanks Neal. Snowing should have just named their kid Killy. Okay, rant over. Happy Thursday everyone!!!
Agree 1000%
I still would have not seen Neal as someone right for Emma( written the way he is). Even if they were thogether again, it would not work. I think they would be miserable in the end
Yes, I fall into this camp as well.
