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surayya
ParticipantAh, but when he actually DID do something heroic in sending the potion with the dove, who did he send it to? Yeah, the man he knew would get the job done no matter the risk, no matter the obstacles, no matter what it cost, personally. Yeah. The man who truly loved Emma and would take on the world and risk his life to bring her back.
Wow, your wording here is perfect- really drives the fundamental reason behind Neal sending the dove to ‘Hook’ of all people. Have a coconut & Hookie cookie 😀
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ParticipantI agree with all of that. It’s really disturbing to me when I read comments about that opening scene in 3A is meant to be seen as something romantic because it’s not.
Really? People think that’s romantic? How? That makes no sense. Although you’d think I’d be used to some areas of the fandom making no sense.
I think it’s because a lot of SF fans believe that since Henry is the truest believer that also makes him a byproduct of true love. Adam and Eddy have never really explained the connection. When Baby Neal was born, I think his birth produced the rainbow affect but with Emma, all it did was make the lights flicker. It’s hard to say.
The problem I now have with the whole “True love” thing since A&E’s attempt at “explaining” the difference between TL & Soul mates is, pretty much every couple everywhere in FTL should have given birth “products of TL” since TL is just truly loving someone o.O
Here’s their “explanation” Of TL vs Soul mates:
“True love is when you truly love someone. Soul mate is the idea that there’s only one person for you.”
Soooo if all TL really is, is “truly loving someone” then why is TL so flippn “hard” to come by & such a “rare” thing?
Surly Rumple could have just plucked 2 hairs from any random couple that ‘truly’ love each other, inorder to “bottle TL”. What makes Charming & Snow’s TL ‘special’? …. I really think A&E just dug themselves deeper into the plot device hole with the answer they gave- wish they’d just said something along the lines of “Good question. We cant do the answer justice off the top of our heads, but we’ll have a think about it & answer later”, or “Dont want to answer that here, it’ll be answered on the show” etc. Because as things stand the loss of Daniel to Regina seems to have been belittled- he was only someone Regina ‘truly’ loved- oh well, people truly love their goldfish- she’ll get over it & move on, but Robin is her “soul mate” so the only person she can be with- if she’s not with him, she is doomed to a loveless/romantic-less life ….. Whaaaa?
I guess it does make sense in context of Emma/Neal- Emma & Neal “truly” loved each other… ok so by that standard “they were TL”- But since they didnt work out at all, it’d seem that Neal wasnt the only person for her- so it could be Killian who is, he’d then be her “soul mate” & does that then make Neal romantic “cannon fodder”… does it make all TL romantic cannon fodder- since it seems TL is trumped by “soul mate”?
What about Snowing- could Charming ditch Snow for the Snow Queen- since she could be his soul mate & Snow “just” his TL? Or what about Snow, is there someone else out there- a “soul mate” who will have her ditching Charming to be with “the one person for her”.
You’d think A&E would have at least gone “Give us a sec” (used their phs to Google the definition of “soul mate” & “TL”) & given us those as explanations o.O
Actual definitions:
Soul mate = “A person who is perfectly suited to another in temperament or who strongly resembles another in attitudes &/or beliefs. A person ideally suited to another as a close friend or romantic partner.”
True Love = “One truly beloved or loving”.Those make far more sense with-in the context of the show & dont retcon Snowing’s supposedly “epic” TL, nor Regina’s heart break over Daniel & when applied to CS makes total sense:
Neal = TL (Emma did love him, so it stands to reason she did “truly” love him)
Killian = Soul mate (since he & Emma are ideally suited to each other & strongly resemble one another in attitude & beliefs).
I’m still just having trouble wrapping my head around A&E’s (I’m sure, unintentional) downgrading of TL is all- I mean does this mean Pongo is Archie’s TL?… Or does he not “truly” love Pongo o.O …. also does that mean since TL is supposed to be a rear & “powerful” thing, that most people in FTL, dont actually “truly” love their partners/ husbands/wives/children/parents/friends/family etc? o.O Thats kind of a gloomy, horrid implication.
surayya
Participantsurayya! If I am bear approved, then that has made my day (where do you find those great gifs? That one really made me laugh out loud!)
Lol, thought you’d like that 😉 My mind works in weird ways… finding a stick twirling bear-no worries …. find orginal CS gif sets- now that stuff be hard work lol 😛 😉
Totally agree Epona & obisgirl
Now this interview is VERY, VERY interesting…
I think I just got more excited for S4 😀
surayya
ParticipantHehehe, Bo your post totally made this gif pop into my mind 😛 😉

I’d say your post is bear approved 🙂
surayya
ParticipantI’ve always loved those comparisons between Neal and Hook. I know who I’d choose
And no, no annoying autoplay ads for me. I know right!
Yeah, they stopped appearing as mysteriously as they started- weird o.O
surayya
ParticipantTink- the biggest shipper to grace OUAT so far 😉

surayya
Participant….anybody else have seriously annoying auto playing, video advertising popping up on here?
surayya
ParticipantHehehe, when you see it laid out like this ….

surayya
ParticipantDouble post….
Yes, yes it does 😉
surayya
Participant(I can totally see him in the writers’ room, clasping his hands and giving a good ol’ evil ‘mu-ahaha!’ about setting the fandom into a frenzy…!)
Bahahaha… that is totally something I would did/did do back in the day to my younger siblings (ok, so that’s a lie…I still do do it to them Mwhahahaha)
I agree on both accounts. But he’s Captain Hook! He can’t be Captain Hook without the hook! Otherwise he’s just another hot pirate (which I’m not complaining about) but “Killian Jones” isn’t the famous fictional character, “Captain Hook” is the famous character and why put in all that effort to get Capt Hook if you’re just going to get rid of the Hook part?
For me, it’s like why they call Regina, ‘Regina’ & not Evil Queen or Snow ‘Mary Margaret’ instead of Snow 😉
I never really liked Hook/ the story of Peter Pan, so I guess for me, I’m not attached to those characters & dont just see “Hook” in Killian- to me he’s always been more of the Dread Pirate Roberts- who happens to have a hook for a hand, than he has ever been “Captain Hook” from Peter Pan. I think a lot of that comes from the fact A&E chose Not to have Hook interact much with Pan at all, so Killian never really became cemented as the actual Cpt. Hook in my eyes- he simply stayed a ‘Dashing/Charming’ Pirate, who had a hook for a hand lol.Oh oh! Also, what I want to see in S4 – a good Regina vs Hook Sass Fest. Just full on smartmouth quips from the two of them, trying to best each other. I really don’t know who would win that one.
Yes please!
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