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At the heart of the best lie is a grain of truth. Maybe magic really is dying, which Pan knows – that’s why he phrased it that way?
Why/how does he know? Sneaky Fairy!
How did she tell him? Why does she do what she’s doing? NO IDEA.
Unless she too is an Original Power… like The Shadow. Hmm. Something to ponder over the next couple of weeks.
[adrotate group="5"]“I am the Power on this island”
I have no ideas. Like all of these ideas in this thread. I definitely get the vibe that The Shadow doesn’t like DaddyPan being there. And the darkening of the island would fit with DaddyPan going full on Dark Side instead of just being selfish and immature. Neverland got darker the more Pan brooded on how to stay young? Once he realised he had to kill his great grandson?
But man, for someone who claims that he was giving his son a better life, Malcolm is really horrible. Truly horrible. Trying to take Baelfire, kidnapping Henry, all the taunts to Rumple. Sending him the doll. UGH.
I know. D-bag. An epic one at that.
Malcolm never matured, never took responsibility. And after several hundred years as Peter Pan, he hasn’t had to either. Now he’s just a horrible little boy – mean, petty, manipulative.
Ugh indeed.
I think Neal is going to be the one to let Rumple out of the Box. He’ll break the cycle of mistrust and abandonment.
I hope so – but how will they know he’s in the Box? Will they just go “Rumple’s disappeared and that box is just sitting there…. oh. Cr*p. He must be in there!”
Favourite: everything
Least favourite: nothing. Well, apart from Malcolm’s general douchebaggery but that is needed for the tragic state of Rumple’s life.
Epic episode is epic.
I just had a thought:
In the original Peter Pan, Captain Hook is the villain and is afraid of clocks.
In OUaT, Hook is not too bad a bloke and Pan is the villain.
An hourglass is, essentially, a thing to keep time. Like a clock.
Pan is afraid of dying – which is marked by his hourglass.
MIND > BLOWN.
Yep! And I for one am looking forward to the idea of the Jolly Roger flying into Storybrooke. (although how will they get through Rumple’s barrier spell if he’s in the Box?)
He wants to be young forever and fly and never leave NL and so he has a shadow cart off his son to a life of loneliness and shame!
Exactly. We’ve seen some b****rds on this show before but Malcom is taking the cake. Horrible man. Feckless is too nice a word for him. He’s just so thoroughly irresponsible and selfish….
and yet that is precisely why DaddyPan works so well. What is the essence of Pan – the Boy Who Never Grew Up. Who never wanted to grow up. Why do we want to avoid growing up? Because we want to avoid responsibility and putting others first. Children are allowed to be self centred, selfish and irresponsible. Malcolm’s rejection of fatherhood to satisfy his own desires (not needs, just desires. It’s not like the option was starve to death or lose your son – the option was LEARN TO FLY or lose your son!! Not a need for survival)
Anyway. His rejection of his fatherhood and responsibility is epic, and totally in keeping with the character of Peter Pan. I was so hardcore into Team Brothers but am actually really pleased to be wrong. This plot line has so much more OOMPH.
Doesn’t do much for the Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky theory… or does it? How did Pan/Malcolm come to pick out his great grandson for his immortality and why? Hmm???
Also just realised: how epic is the man’s selfishness that he not only abandoned his son to be young again but he will kill his great grandson to be immortal?????!!!!!!!!
. Just imagine what was going through his head as Bae was pleading with him to go through the beanhole. Is that why he hesitated…because he knew what had happened in his own childhood? Oh, so many feels.
It really does put a whole new spin on that scene – Rumple’s cowardice is not JUST about power. It’s also about a massive sense of deja vu and trepidation. It doesn’t make the abandonment less, but it does make it more explicable and understandable.
RIP Team Brothers. Hello Team DaddyPan
My thought process for this episode was:
- gee PapaStiltskin is a piece of work. Feckless would be the best word for him.
- But he tries to give him a good home – recognising that it won’t be with him! (side note: the spinsters cracked me up the way they finished each other’s sentences)
- The doll – give him a name, he can be whoever you want to be. OK, maybe Rumple imagines Peter Pan into being via the doll?
- Off to Neverland…. as soon as Malcom started raving about this place he went in his dreams as a boy, I could feel TeamBrothers dying as it seemed inevitable that DaddyPan was true
And you know what? I’m ok with that. I think from a storytelling perspective it was brilliant. Rumple’s always been clear: his father was a coward who abandoned him. Well…. hello! Letting a shadow take your child so you can be a boy again just so you can fly is a pretty epic level of abandonment!!
Then the Pandora’s Box…. oh the feels. RIGHT IN THE FEELS!!!
