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Here, have an out of context Puck. He makes everything better.

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The truth is now JMo views the SF part of the fandom as a little whiny toddler who didn’t get their own way, and the rest of the fandom is absolutely disgusted with all of you as well, because you’re just sitting idly by and letting Jen get all this hate whilst not letting her know that there are parts of the SF fandom who hold no ill will towards her. Inaction speaks loudly.

I can’t stand with JMo and defend her against the haters because I don’t agree with that she said. With her longer explanation it makes more sense, but with her original comments, I don’t agree with that interpretation of Neal’s actions, and so therefore I have no reason to defend her. In many of her recent interviews she has been touting the virtues of Hook and CS and playing down Neal’s involvement and commitment to Emma and Henry, or ignoring his value to the overall story outside of the just SF. This has also been a running theme in other interviews by A&E as well. I’m not about to step up to the plate and defend them when I don’t agree with them, but I’m also not going to start yelling my disagreement in their faces like other fans do. I keep my anger here, out of the way. My inaction is because I don’t care enough to engage them personally, but also because I feel like what I have to say means nothing to them and would be a waste of my time and energy, thinking that I might actually be able to turn the tides of anti-SF in either the show or the casts minds. Maybe that’s the wrong approach, but I don’t see why I should have to come to the defense of the people who killed my ship (A&E), or the person who seems to like CS a lot more now than she did a year ago.

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Corbin wrote:

First, I’d like to say I know who you are. We argued a bit about Neal on Hypable, and now you’re attacking my home base.

I have zero clue what you’re talking about. I have been here for a long time. How else would i know about the last 6000 pages of this thread being a load of hate towards writers, ridicule towards CSers, and little to no Swanfire discussion?

Corbin wrote:

you’re acting like you love Swanfire.

FYI, i love all the parts of the show? SF, CS, even SQ as a broship? Snowing, Rumbelle, Hookriel… everything.

Corbin wrote:

However, it is wrong of you to bundle us all up in a collective group and accuse us of such hatefulness.

Except i’m seeing hate in this thread every day, and it’s being ignored. IMO, it’s hate. And as i’ve seen, others feel it is too.

The truth is now JMo views the SF part of the fandom as a little whiny toddler who didn’t get their own way, and the rest of the fandom is absolutely disgusted with all of you as well, because you’re just sitting idly by and letting Jen get all this hate whilst not letting her know that there are parts of the SF fandom who hold no ill will towards her. Inaction speaks loudly.

The passive aggressiveness towards Jen here speaks loudly.

It doesn’t matter that you didn’t send any tweets (although i’d certainly pick out one or two of you who CERTAINLY did), the fact of the matter is, this has become a hateful thread, most of you have become hateful.

This thread is part of the problem.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t identify yourselves as haters, because haters rarely have that kind of personal awareness.

What matters is, the rest of the fandom sees you as haters now, through your complaints, passive aggressiveness, and insults towards the rest of the fandom (nearly every word you breathe about CSers for instance) and the writers.

@Melinda – I’m sorry that you’re angry *at* us, and don’t share the anger with us collectively. Yes, we’ve become quite nasty in this thread, but I think that’s because there’s no where else for us to go. It’s hard for most of us to talk lovingly and positively about SF when we get bullied out of every other thread and place of Once discussion, and not because we’re running around talking hate about everything, we get run out just because our very presence threatens other ships. So we come here and we rant and we vent because there’s no where else to go.

I want to talk about great and positive things about SF, but it’s hard to when a)it’s a ghost ship and everyone has already beaten that dead horse (or dead ship rather), and when A&E and the cast keep coming out with interviews and statements that take everything they’ve said before, everything they’ve showed us in the show and thrown it out the window. Once SF was described as beautiful, poetic, what A&E were getting at, a relationship that would be hard, but worth it in the end. Now Neal is a villain, who needed to redeem himself for all his terrible actions and most of us SFers can’t help but sit here with our jaws open because we can’t believe what we’re hearing.

We can’t believe that they’ve backtracked so far and so hard and it feels like they’re trying to paint SF as the worst thing that ever happened, that was never going to happen, and that other ships were always designed to be TL since day one. I get that the media and A&E and the cast are just telling us what they need to to sell their show, that things change and you have to roll with the punches, but the wording that they use, the lack of consciousness of their history, mythology, their own *interviews* implies that they either think we’re stupid and that they can get away with it, or that it they’re hoping we leave and the new fans will never notice and call them out on it.

And then we get other people, other shippers and non, coming in here, finding us on tumblr and twitter and facebook and other forums, shoving it in our faces, like they take immense joy in not only bringing us down, but grinding us into dust under their shoes. They’d like it if we didn’t exist at all, and sometimes it feels like our very presence in this thread and other places on the internet is a giant middle finger to everyone who wants us to go away, and I will happily admit to getting immense pleasure out of that. I won’t go away simply because they want me to. I’ll leave when I’m finally ready to move on from a show that meant so much to me and not a moment sooner.

I WANT to only talk about sunshine and rainbows, but I can’t, and when I’m angry or frustrated about another person saying something that completely contradicts what they’ve said before, I come here because I have no where else to go, and there are other people here who feel the same. I think the idea that we have to keep everything positive in here is a little far fetched, because from the moment they killed Neal, there have been very few positive things to say about the future of our ship. But I also get that other people don’t feel the same way we do, and that for them, we’ve taken over the last refuge in a sea of other ships, and turned it into a war ship on patrol, but what else is going to happen when people just lurk and don’t actually contribute to the conversation? I KNOW there are other people who want to only talk positive things, but they don’t post and when they don’t post the louder voices who do post drown them out, myself unfortunately being one of those.

We have no where else to go, so all out anger and pain comes out here, and there has been enough of us here who feel the same that we often can just blanket this thread in hateful thoughts. And you know what, I’m not sorry. I’m sorry that you don’t like reading this thread, and I’m sorry we’re not the kind of SF fans you need, but we’ve been left to our own devices and this is what’s happened. Engage with us, talk about positive SF things with us and the mood will change in here, but if it’s just us and they keep shoving articles and interviews with anti-SF comments down our throats, then we’re going to respond the way our hearts tell us to.

And for the record, I don’t have twitter, I have never engaged any of the cast and crew of Once in any medium. The things I post stay here and on tumblr under tags that require someone to actually search for what I have to say. Yes, the things that I say here are often laced heavily with anger and bitterness, but they STAY HERE unless someone takes that out of my hands. If people want to read what I have to say then they have to make an active effort to do so. If I whine about them wanting to change the show, or that I disagree with what has been said or written, it happens HERE and has never once been brought to any official attention by my own volition, so please stop lumping me in all the vehement fans who harass others. I’m not one of them, and neither are most of the posters here.

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@Rainbow reblogged this response to the video on tumblr today. It is pretty much how I feel about this. http://artemisorion13.tumblr.com/post/88373346481/neal-had-betrayed-her-enough-times-that-it-would

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Okay I have been hearing rumors that Emma’s actor said not nice stuff about Neal in a interview, saying that “Neal had betrayed her enough times that it would be difficult for that to be her happy ending.” Does anyone know if that is true?

I haven’t watched the video myself, but the gifs on tumblr with the quote seem to be coming from this video:
http://www.digitalspy.ca/ustv/s181/once-upon-a-time/news/a576533/jennifer-morrison-talks-once-upon-a-time-season-4-and-frozen-watch.html#~oGOBC8lfLzpXE6

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Minor edits because I’m not sure how high the language filter is:

I don’t know everything that has happened and I’m sure if I did, you would not get me to shut up about all of it, and I’d probably be a lot more angry than I am now.

But I do know that a lot of people are frustrated with Neal fans for being angry, like we have no right to be, like we’re just being irrational or ridiculous. But our favorite character died, a character who was selfless, kind, brave, and died trying to save everyone. He deserved better. And the least people could do is acknowledge that Neal was a good person, who loved Emma with all his heart, who loved Henry, who loved his father, and Belle, and everyone. Who was heroic to his last breath. Who cared deeply, who returned to Neverland, who fought Peter Pan, who was crucial to saving Henry. Tell me, without Neal, who do you think they would have stopped Peter and returned home? How would they have saved Henry? Neal was important. He is the reason this show exists.

And for Jennifer Morrison to do an interview where, instead of honoring this character for everything he did, she reduced him to a love interest who would never worked out, despite previous interviews contradicting that, despite the fact that Neal never wavered in his love and devotion, despite that Neal’s biggest regret was leaving Emma, despite everything is insulting. And it adds so much more fuel to the Neal hatred fire that this fandom insists on continuing despite us losing our favorite character.

It’s not fair. And it sucks. And I’m sure it’s the PR of ABC studios who has always insisted on promoting CS, who loved to pretend Neal didn’t exist, but I think it is wrong. It sucks. Neal fans have always gotten the raw end of the deal and you would think after he died, everything could just calm down and they’d just let it go, despite how they treated his death, but they still insist on promoting CS when there’s no other ships against them anymore? They should have nothing but good things to say about Neal now that he died a hero and instead, it’s about how he betrayed her, they never would have worked, Emma couldn’t trust him, and it is BS.

I’m just upset. I wanted nothing but the best for Neal Cassidy and yet he died and still has his named blackened to make CS more appealing. It’s crap.

http://nealdarling.tumblr.com/post/88393608428/i-dont-know-everything-that-has-happened-and-im

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Finally finished a drabble I started shortly after the finale. You’d think it wouldn’t take me weeks to write just a drabble, but this is me over thinking everything as usual. As always, all the thanks and love to Onyx and DSB for being my betas. <3

http://textbookone.tumblr.com/post/88340312306/out-of-reach-a-drabble

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Ugh. Every word of this. Every. Word.

Why I Ship Swanfire…

So….. I got an ask from an anon a few weeks ago asking me why I shipped SF. Unfortunately, because it was the middle of the night and I was extremely tired, I was not able to come up with any good reasons. This post is going to be a redo of that, because I feel like I need to tell everyone WHY I wanted Neal and Emma to end up together on OUAT.

Ok. Let’s start from the start. The very start. It all started when we saw Neal Cassidy in Tallahassee. At that stage, I did not really ship those two together, because I had not seen Neal before, and I was under the impression that we would never see Henry’s father again on the show.

When I watched Tallahassee, the thing that really stood out for me was how many times Emma smiled. I mean, she smiled HEAPS in that episode, more than we had ever really seen her smile before, so I was quite ecstatic but confused at the same time when I saw this badass figure I had come to love, transform into a lovesick teenager.

After the episode, I was not mad at Neal. I understood his decision but I knew that Emma probably would not feel the same way as me. As the show went on, I kind of forgot about Neal to be honest. I never once thought that he would turn out to be a fairytale character until my cousins (who also watch ouat) pointed out that there were heaps of theories going around on the internet about Neal being Baelfire. I thought about it for a bit, and afterwards, I could not wait to see Neal appear on the show again.

When Manhattan came along, I was overwhelmed. Overwhelmed by all the feels and all the angst. I was also overwhelmed by how much this episode affected me. I did plan on watching it over and over again, but for some reason, I did. During the next few episodes, I was confident that Neal and Emma would be endgame. I was sure it would happen, and I wasn’t surprised when Tamara turned out to be evil. I quite liked Tamara that way.

I began reading fanfiction. I began fast forwarding episodes until I reached the swanfire parts, and only then did I go back and watch the rest of the episode. I began making up scenarios in my head about things that could happen on the show, but I never transferred them onto my laptop because I was insecure about my writing abilities.

I came to love Neal Cassidy. I realised at the start of Season 3 that it was not reallyy swanfire that was the most important thing for me. It was Neal. It was Neal getting his happy ending, and swanfire could be a side dish to that.

Swanfire took over my life. I read fanfictions over and over and I loved rewatching old episodes. In Neverland, I loved how Neal knew pretty much everybody and I was waiting the moments where Emma and Neal would somehow rekindle their relationship. I knew they had a long way to go until everything was okay again, but I was sure that they could find the light at the end of the tunnel.

I used to wonder how I even survived watching season 1 with no Neal Cassidy in it, because in season 2 and 3, the only thing that kept me interested in the show was Neal. I was unaware of the bad writing and inconsistent plot arcs, so long as Neal was safe and happy and alive, I was fine.

But then Hook came along. I think the thing that annoyed me the most about Hook was how he just swapped mentalities. He seemed to completely forget about Milah and then he expected Emma to fall for him. He begged for kisses of gratitude and he bragged about it to Neal. And what surprised me the most was how Emma seemed to go along with it. Nobody called him out enough on his BS and now he is considered a hero. I will admit, he has changed. He is not as horrible as he used to be, but he is no saint either.

But, enough about Hook.

Why I really ship swanfire is because I believe in second chances. I believe in forgiveness and faith. I believe that people can change FOR REAL. I also believe that some people do not need to change at all, they are great in the first place.

I believe that good looks do not get you everything. I believe that beauty is from the inside and popularity should not get you the girl. I did not want Henry to have to live with his parent’s uncomfortable silences and awakward/angsty conversations for the rest of his life. I wanted Neal Cassidy, a man who has carried around so much guilt and regret and memories throughout his life to finally be granted a happy ending with the woman he loves. I wanted Baelfire, a brave boy who had suffered through more pain in fourteen years than most people experience in their whole lives, to have the happy ending that he deserved.

I wanted Emma and Henry and Neal to be a happy family, because, I know this is only my opinion, however, it breaks my heart (even in real life situations) to see families that are torn apart or where parents are divorced unhappily. I know there are heaps of situations in which divorce is the better option, but i honestly believe that in Emma and Neal’s case, they were better together.

Neal fell in love with the real Emma. Raw Emma. Non- saviour, partially-badass, not-yet mother, orphaned Emma. Emma fell in love with a thief.
Not ‘Bae’, not ‘Baelfire’, not the son of the Dark one. She fell in love with the lonely lost boy who doubled as a cheeky rogueish thief. They were lost souls who found eachother and i believe that they were destined to be together, and nobody can tell me otherwise.

http://the-lion-sleeps-2night.tumblr.com/post/88054707184/why-i-ship-swanfire

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I wrote another thing. A thing that probably belongs elsewhere on the forum, but I will always feel more comfortable sharing things with my shipper family than with anyone else.

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The secret is out:

http://tvline.com/2014/06/04/michael-raymond-james-dean-norris-history-sons-of-liberty-cast/

REJOICE!!!

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