[the woodsman]

I just had a thought …

What if the risk that David will have to take is to go under the sleeping curse. He might be able to communicate with Aurora directly and possibly Snow (we still don’t know what happens when she sleeps) as his soul would exist in that world. The risk would be that Snow would need to make it back and kiss him in order to lift the sleeping curse. “The Deep,” therefore, would refer to the slumber which David would be entering in order to talk to Snow.

The reason I don’t think he could invade Henry’s dreams is that they’re not dreams. It’s another world that Henry’s soul continues to travel to when his body sleeps. In order to go there, David needs a means of travelling between worlds and the only known way of getting to this world is from the sleeping curse.

Or who knows, maybe Captains Ahab and Nemo will show up and join Hook in a raucous episode composed entirely of sea shanties. 😛

[the woodsman]

@FairyTalePrincess wrote:

I think the hat Emma made is magic and Jefferson did fall through it. It seemed as though when Mary Margaret kicked Jefferson out the window both women were surprised by her action so Snow’s true personality (character)…came through..magic. The only other time we saw that was in True North when she held Emma’s baby blanket. When her mother (Snow) is around her or objects of Emma’s the magic comes through a bit.

Now that Jefferson has Grace back I don’t know why he wouldn’t share with Charming about the second hat…unless he plans to use it as he sees fit. Highest bidder type of thing.

Well, I can think of one reason why he might not share. Rules of the hat, however many enter, the same number leaves. Even if Charming were to get a hold of a working hat, bringing anyone back becomes tricky because someone would have to stay behind. It’s still a valuable tool for getting between worlds but it’s a bad way to try and rescue anybody.

[the woodsman]

The magic addiction that they have been showing has been interesting. It seems more like a compulsive behavior pattern than an actual drug. It’s something that makes many things in life easier to obtain, so much so that giving up magic means having to work harder for the things that one wants. Regina, in her sessions with, Dr. Hopper says that magic is the way she has always gotten everything. It was her use of the word “always” in that scene that struck a chord for me. She has been using magic for so long and has used it to get and achieve everything she’s wanted that she has/had difficulty remembering her life without magic. For everything that magic has gotten her, there is one thing she had when she had no magic that she has been unable to obtain since … love.

Also, magic also doesn’t seem to have withdrawal symptoms like a chemically addictive substance might. It’s more of a psychological addiction that must be overcome.

[the woodsman]

@Phee wrote:

The thing that gets me though is that when we’ve seen Jefferson’s hat work, there have been certain conditions. It has to sit flat, then it starts spinning, and takes a few moments to whip up a huge, swirly, tornado type environment before you jump in. There was none of that when Jefferson and the hat fell out the window. There was a very faint whooshing sound effect, just enough to make you wonder if something happened, but there was no sign of even a stiff breeze outside, let alone the standard portal tornado, when the hat just toppled out the window, not spinning in any uniform way. It simply doesn’t match up to how we’ve seen a hat portal work previously, so I’ve never bought into the theory that it worked.

I think that Emma could have made a working hat, if she’d been open to the possibility of it, but she was in full on denial mode with her guard up at that point in time, which prevented any magic from flowing through her. The times we saw her actually have an effect was when she let her guard down and actually let herself feel and believe in that emotion. That’s why her kiss made Graham remember, because she felt a legit emotional connection to him, and let her guard down and allowed herself to feel it. And it’s why, when she was in that emotionally open state at the hospital that she touched the book and remembered. How many times had she touched the book before and had no reaction to it? She could only make the magic flow if she wasn’t actively trying to prevent stuff from getting through her walls. And she was all about having her walls up when the crackpot who thought he was the Mad Hatter was forcing her to make a hat at gunpoint. Much like touching the book at that point in time didn’t trigger anything, I don’t think her touching that hat triggered anything either.

There was an open window right near where Jefferson fell down, and I think he just scrambled in there in the couple of seconds it took between him falling and the girls looking out the window.

Also, I think that if he had gone somewhere through the hat, he’d have mentioned to Charming that there was another working hat when they had the conversation about his broken one. He could have mentioned it to Regina when she wanted to get the apple, instead of going to all the trouble of trying to make his old hat work just enough to get the job done. Jefferson hasn’t been acting like a guy who had discovered another portal hat to get outta town.

PS. Welcome to the forum, Woodsman. One can only lurk for so long before you get sucked in completely. 😉

Thanks for the welcome 🙂

As far as your rules of the hat go though, I can think of one exception to the “it has to sit flat” theory. In 2-05 “The Doctor,” when Jefferson is taking Frankenstein back to his world, Jefferson tosses the hat as he spins it, the portal begins opening as it falls toward the forest floor. I think the rule of sitting flat (or in my opinion simply on a surface) has to do more with practicality and gravity than anything else. I think it could be entirely possible for the hat to open while in mid-air.

That said, I hadn’t noticed the open window (I’ll have to go back and look at that scene again) but that does seem a much simpler and more reasonable explanation, assuming the fall didn’t hurt him too bad. The height of the fall was one of the reasons why I felt that it was implied that the hat worked because otherwise he would have been hurting pretty bad (speaking from experience jumping out of similar height windows … long story, college was a fun time :P)

Your points regarding Emma are well thought out and definitely give me room for pause. But … when she made the hat, there was no magic in Storybrooke so even the original hat was difficult to get working. It’s possible that she could have made a working hat and nobody knew because nobody had enough magic (assuming we go with the Jefferson went in through the window theory).

To the point of Jefferson’s conversation with Charming, Jefferson definitely has his own motives and there is still a lot about his character to learn. What we know is that he answered Charming’s questions about the original hat but Charming never knew to ask if there were any other hats. Assuming Jefferson went in through the window, Charming’s confronting him with the remains of his old hat may have made him think of the one that Emma made and explain why Jefferson ran away from the conversation.

There may yet be a working hat in Storybrooke.

[the woodsman]

Hey all, I’ve been lurking around these forums for a few weeks now and I thought it time to post a little something myself.

@Phee wrote:

I never thought that hat worked when it and Jefferson fell out the window, but considering Emma made it, I wouldn’t be surprised if it could be activated using fairy dust.

I am not sure but I think you might be wrong here. When Jefferson and the hat took a spill out his 2nd story window he had “disappeared” by the time the girls (Emma and Snow) made it to the window to look out. I think the hat already works. He fell out the window and into the hat. That’s how he vanished so quickly.

I don’t really have an explanation for him being back in SB now though, if he did go through the hat, he had to have come back out of it. Of course we don’t know what Emma did with the hat and we didn’t see Jefferson in the time between when he fell out the window and when Charming found him in the overturned car.

@Hellraiser-89 wrote:

@medchen wrote:

side remark;

Wouldn’t it be fun if some of the characters were in the room of the hat with all the doors and then one door would be ‘our tv screen’
They’d walk up close to the screen and go ‘knock knock’ -“Do you think we can go through here” “Hmm maybe not” 😆

😆 That would be fun.

Well, one of the doors in the hat is a Wonkavator, so, by extension, there is Wonkavision. 😉

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