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thebassgal posted this in the forum (I’m sure you all have seen it before but anyway) and ugh! I hurts. A lot. If he had to go, this is how it should have ended. She was so happy to hear him say that he loved her too…
My thoughts exactly. THIS was closure. THIS was poetic. It was still unfair, but it felt right. Here, he died to save his son from the same fate both he and Emma suffered. And he made sure the woman he loved knew it. THIS was acceptable.
And he told her he tried to help her. She was all, “By letting me go to jail?” And he made sure she knew, “To get you home.” So, you’re welcome angsty-ma’am – you have your parents thanks to what Neal did and you still have your son, as well as your life… none of which Neal has because of his choice to let you go.
Okay, so this might’ve been mentioned already, but here goes: Wonderland finale gave me an idea! Water given freely from the well of wonders can resurrect the dead. Boom… when A and E realize their mistake, we have our loophole nicely written into the spinoff. It was useful for something other than itself! And the Knave can bring the rest of what was given for Ana right along with his little self to Storybrooke. Agrabah for the win! Good way to introduce Aladdin and Jasmine too, since I am totally convinced Cyrus’ youngest brother is Aladdin.
Ah. I thought it might be something else. That pic … I almost … UGH, I don’t want to have hope anymore, but it does make you wonder … sigh. I mean, look at all the stuff they pulled with “Lost” … It’s almost worse to have that niggling little suspicion. I can’t just let go.
They straight up could have lied about his death being truly final. They’ve lied before, I’m sure. I don’t have direct evidence right now, but yeah.
The theme of fathers in general being historically painted in a negative light on this show for one.
That’s about the ONLY thing this death did for Bae – it officially broke the cycle of horrible father/son relationships on the show. Malcolm was a crappy father, Rumple was a crappy father… Neal, well, we’ll never know… he didn’t get much chance to be one, but from the moment he found out he had a kid, he sure tried to be a good father.
Malcolm let go. Rumple let go. TWICE, Neal made Emma let go. He didn’t have it in him to let go. Emma had to be the one to do it – the first time into the portal, the second time into death.
Grimm…Once again, it’s not all about Neal. It’s about the show. We would have preferred it if Neal stayed dead in 221. That was a beautiful ending for many of us. It’s really not just his death we are mourning. Really. It’s the character assassination and the complete about-face of the message of the show. Watching season 1-2 would not have been difficult had he stayed dead in 221. An honorable, meaningful death. But this senselessness and seemingly retconned-throw away all that we’ve established-episode just makes it difficult to even watch what has already happened. It’s not just about mourning Neal. We’ve done that before. It’s about this show that made us all feel alive, feel hope, feel wonder… the excitement is gone since they did away so poorly with stuff they’ve already established.
This. If they were going to kill him, it should have been 2-21. An honorable death caused by factors out of his control to save his son and it would have been the catalyst to push Rumple to murder Pan a hell of a lot faster. And it would have been a justifiable , redemptive end to Baelfire.
I don’t find MRJ average-looking either. In fact, he’s right up there at the top of my list, but I like the broody, shy, nerdy guys. MRJ, Ian Somerhalder, Norman Reedus… yes, I have a type.
That aside, I just feel like Rumple died for nothing. He died to save his son and his son died bringing him back. Plot device. They had to kill Rumple to get rid of Pan, so they killed off the perceived “least” liked character, but Neal wasn’t disliked as a whole. Well, perhaps the character of Neal was disliked because of the crappy way they wrote him. They left holes in him the size of Montana. He deserved back story about how he came to be Neal and what he was doing for those 10 years. But Baelfire… one of the most beloved characters in the show and one of the main reasons for the show, the reason for the curse and the driving force behind Rumple.
I can get to them, but copying and pasting is ugly bits of code everywhere. Thankfully, I was able to clean mine up a bit.
I have a rant… can I post? It’s really just a cathartic Facebook rant I made about Neal getting the short end of the stick… so here goes… copying and pasting from Facebook:
You know what bothers me? Everyone says Neal left Emma to go to prison and pregnant and that’s why he failed her. Neal left her to go to prison for a petty crime for which he knew she would not spend a lot of time in prison… he did NOT know she was pregnant and she never bothered to tell him either. Emma never tried to look him up or find him. She didn’t put his name as Henry’s father even though she knew so she never gave Neal a chance to come back and help her with Henry. Had Neal known she was pregnant, I highly doubt he would have abandoned her. Once she took the fall for the watches, there was nothing he could do really, but he might’ve stuck around for them to have their Tallahassee despite the possibility of his dad finding him if he’d known he was going to be a father. It just irks me that Neal’s big “fault” was his leaving her pregnant when he never knew. To me, Neal leaving is August’s fault due to the Blue Fairy telling August to keep an eye on Emma so she could break the curse, which makes it Regina’s fault for casting the curse, which makes it Cora’s fault for killing Daniel, which makes it Snow’s fault for getting Daniel killed and makes it Rumple’s fault because he created the curse to find Neal which makes it Neal’s fault for using the bean but Rumple’s fault for letting go of Bae and still yet the Blue Fairy’s fault for giving Bae the bean which makes it Rumple’s fault for the Dark One curse which makes it Malcolm’s fault for abandoning Rumple which makes it the shadow’s fault for giving Malcolm the choice, which makes it Neverland’s fault for being host to the shadow which makes it every child on Earth’s fault for dreaming up such a place to begin with. So… yeah… that was rambling, but in the end, without Neal leaving Emma to go to jail, there would be no story now because Emma would be in Tallahassee raising Henry with Neal and Storybrooke would still be cursed and on an endless loop of boringness. Blah, rant over. My point is that Neal did NOT leave her pregnant knowingly.
Their original reasons for letting their son go (even though Neal didn’t know, Rumple knowingly let his son go) were polar opposites though. Neal let his go so Emma could do what she had to do. Rumple let his go to retain his power. At the end, they BOTH sacrificed their lives to save their son, so while Neal died a hero, his death was convoluted and forced. Rumple’s was this big huge lead up and big grand finale of the first half of the season. Neal’s death was a plot device to move the story along to bring Rumple back and it was just a little side act in an episode in the middle, whereas his almost death was a huge part of the season 2 finale. It just seems like Baelfire deserved better. His entire life was tragic – his father was a coward and then became even worse – the Dark One, his mother abandoned him, his father abandoned him, his father murdered his mother, he sacrificed himself for Wendy and her brothers and lost the only real family he’d ever known, Hook abandoned him, he spent countless years as a lost boy, he escaped to our world and had to steal to survive, he met Emma and then there was a bright spot in his life… and then August came along and destroyed it (at the time, Emma was his girlfriend and didn’t even know she was pregnant, so he was technically leaving his girlfriend)… then Neal was found (my ONLY beef with him, but I understand his fear of her being seriously pissed off 10 years later) by Emma and he found out about Henry and then he came to Storybrooke for his son. He sure as hell didn’t go for his papa. (Yes, he was engaged to Tamara, but it had been 10 years and Emma moved on too. There was at least Graham that we know of, then she got flirty with Hook after Neal “died” and in the “lost” year she nearly got engaged again.) Then Cora tries to kill his papa, his papa tries to kill his son, his son is abducted by his grandfather’s minions (one of whom happens to be his damn fiancee) and his fiancee tries to kill him. He goes back to Neverland willingly, knowing full well what awaits him in Pan. He helps to rescue his son, brings him home and then watches his father sacrifice his life only to set off ANOTHER curse and he is ripped away from son knowing his son will never remember him. Then he goes to Snowing and is determined to get back to Emma and Henry, but is told NO, so he finds a way to get back. And he was tricked. Should he have known better? Sure… anything to do with the Dark One is a trap in the end. He brings his father back only to find out AFTER that he himself is going to die. He gets back to see Emma (through Rumple) and demands they be separated, knowing full well it means he will die. But he did it so Emma could stop the wicked witch. He died to save his son who doesn’t remember him and thinks he never cared. Baelfire’s life was beyond tragic. Unfair doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Similar to Phee, I’ve had a headcanon that David’s father is Merlin. David seems to know a lot about magical things like Rumple’s dagger & pixie dust that have always seemed odd to me. How did David of all people know about pixie dust in Neverland? He is the one to describe it. Also, Ruth said she got the necklace that predicts if you are having a boy or girl from a powerful wizard. Could be Merlin?
This, but (and not sure if this has been stated elsewhere) – perhaps Merlin is David/James’ father… and the Wizard of Oz. Merlin and the Wizard would obviously both be very powerful sorcerers, so it would make sense to have them be one in the same.
