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Honestly I had more of an issue with how he died than him actually dying. There are plenty of shows where you don’t get a nice little bow on the character’s story arc. Just look at every character who has been killed off on Game of Thrones. Plenty of more story there to be told with many characters. But they were killed off to advance a different plot going forward. It is likely that the plot going forward here was the CS ship. And they didn’t feel they could keep Neal around and still develop CS because perhaps Emma would always be tied to Neal and unable to move on. But as I said, plenty of shows move on from characters prematurely to help serve the plot going forward (or for shock value). I think if the plot was strong after Neal’s death, and the resulting actions and behaviors and plot points and whatever may the fallout had been, was actually done well, I don’t think people would have been as angry with Neal’s death. But because the rest of season 3b was not so great, and the seasons going forward for many have been disappointing, it’s easier to look at Neal’s death as many missed opportunities.
[adrotate group="5"]A large portion of the audience did not like The Dark Swan. Go ahead and like it, that’s fine, but others can say it was horrible if they want. Endings have to be good and it was a terrible ending to the arc, it was inconsistent and anticlimactic and actually didn’t end most of the plot points opened for the season. Edit: Swan Song is the finale, though seriously my complaint still stands, everything that was introduce in the first episode nothing came of, so while it was a good beginning, it doesn’t stand up with how inconsistent the last five episodes of the season ended up being to what was introduced there.
Ok well I did not like how it ended either. But on its own, The Dark Swan was solid. And the reveal with Excalibur was great. Swan Song is a totally different ball game. The Dark Swan was met with great reviews. Swan Song, not so much.
that idea that Neal had no story to tell is wrong, and only people that dont like Neal say it, but the thing is if Neal had no story, then the same apply to all characters.
Didn’t mean there wasn’t a story. Just not the story I would have wanted for Neal. And I quite enjoyed Neal, a lot.
Was I disappointed in an episode where the only people who tried to get to Emma were Hook and Regina while Henry was chilling in Granny’s and Regina’s plan was basically hoping that everyone would be stupid in order for it to succeed? Yes I was. If people compare an episode to The Dark Swan and claim that it was less good, then I really don’t have high hopes for it to be good.
There were a lot of good things that happened in the episode that you are neglecting. How they portrayed Emma’s initial struggle with the darkness along with Rumple’s head voice was spot on I thought. Of course there were issues, like any other episode, I just felt it was an overall, pretty solid start to the season and I thought JMo did a great job with it.
I’m excited to see this one for sure. It’s a biggie.
At least it answered a question we’ve had for a long time.
Hmm….I wonder. What a tease! So at least it wasn’t completely pointless if it actually answered a question. But I really have no idea what we have wanted to have answered about Regina.
Honestly I didn’t like The Dark Swan so if you say that this one is worse? I have no hope for this series whatsoever.
If you didn’t like The Dark Swan, then you are probably too far gone to be pleased by the show anymore. Which is fine. Not saying that as a negative thing. But it will likely take a lot for you to think an episode is good now. The fact that Rumple’s girl gave it a 7/10 means I will probably give it an 8/10 haha. It’s encouraging.
The Neal thing is sad as I’d hoped he would make a return around the finale. But I’m mostly happy that Greg Germann is doing a good job with Hades and that the writing for Hades seems good out of the gate. Let’s go #operationfirebird
I love how no one jumps down Gaultheria’s throat, but God for bid I say anything negative about Neal, I get the ax. I happen to agree with Gaultheria. I didn’t like how Neal died, but at the time, I remember thinking it was his time, especially since the main story line of Rumple getting back to his son, had ended, as did the science vs magic story line. Obviously he has connections to other characters, but how long were they going to just have Neal interact with his son on the sidelines? Some scenes would have been nice with Emma, and Rumple, and Henry, but the writers felt they had a good ending for him and they went with it. Not saying it landed, but like I said, I was fine with it at the time. It’s just a shame now that they botched the CS relationship a bit, and it’s easy to look back and say bring back Neal! I do miss him, but he reminds me of Robin Hood now. The man couldn’t fight. He had no magic. The episode where Cora and Regina storm into Gold’s shop in season 2….Neal with the sword was a little laughable. I just don’t think he would survive, and if he did, he would just be a secondary character to serve as Henry’s father and Rumple’s son. I can’t stand Robin Hood right now. He has no story and he’s only there to serve as Regina’s love and Roland’s father. I wouldn’t have wanted that for Neal.
I think it’s interesting that they said themes from the first half of season 5 will resurface towards the end of the second half. I really do think the darkness will be front and center once again.
Neal has a scene in the beginning that doesn’t make much sense, but the story comes back full circle and by the end, the scene is revisited in present day. I just think there are a lot of things that could happen that could make it a totally satisfying 100th episode Neal appearance.
I’m thinking a, “We have to go back!” moment here. They have incorporated everything else that they did from Lost (time travel, alternate universe, flashbacks). All that is left is flashforwards. If it is such a shocking cold open, maybe it’s something like this.
