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He could just appear, have a touching goodbye with Henry, talk to his father and try to set him on the right path, and then move on because he’s NOW he’s finished his business. But that’s not what’s happening. Given what we know–it’s a mix of saying goodbye to Henry (and I expect this to be brief and perfunctory); it’ll be a warning, most likely about Hades and the spirits that inhabit the Underworld (and JMo tells us that Neal is not one of them); and, from that, that because Neal is not in the Underworld, he’s at peace, had no unresolved issues, and it’s okay to focus on Hook– thus he can’t be “saved” from the Underworld because he’s not there to begin with. All of which is utter nonsense but it gives the writers free reign for the characters to forget about Neal. That’s cruel
Lots of speculation. I feel like we could easily get a reunion with him and Henry, a warning about the UW and Hades, and not to feel sad because he is at peace. And wouldn’t that be fine? I see no cruelty with that. Unfortunately he’s going to have to move on because he’s just there for the 100th episode. The only cruel part I could see happening is him giving Hook’s blessing or whatever but that hasn’t been confirmed. The writers do plenty of things wrong without us condemning them for something they haven’t done yet.
Is it at all a possibility that the cold open is something that happens in the future? Or something that won’t make sense until the end of the arc. We haven’t really had a flashforward yet. This could be the time to maybe incorporate it. Neal has a scene in the beginning that doesn’t make much sense, but the story comes back full circle and by the end, the scene is revisited in present day. I just think there are a lot of things that could happen that could make it a totally satisfying 100th episode Neal appearance.
[adrotate group="5"]It’s the way he’s returning/being used. I don’t disagree that he should be there–I disagree with the way he is being used.
Right but how else could he be used. Obviously he can’t come back full time due to his other show. So isn’t this one of the few ways they can bring him in for he 100th episode? I’m not sure what else they could do to make it less “cruel” for Neal fans.
I’ll use the word I kept using when this first started leaking: it’s cruel.
There is nothing cruel about a character returning to a show for it’s 100th episode. He should be there.
No and here’s why:there are no common threads. Nothing that extends over the entire season. That’s a big difference with season 4 and that’s why S4 split works a bit more, you had one story that was told over an entire season (the search for the Author) instead of two totally separate seasonal stories.
Yeah you are actually right. The split worked way better in season 4 because of the overaching themes. Which is why I hope there actually is one in season 5.
One of the most disappointing aspects of 3A was the fact that we never saw Tink and Peter in a scene together. We get the impression that Tink and Peter are friends and that he trusts her, but given no indication as to how that happened. The characters from NVL, in the end, felt like their story counterparts in name only. While it was fine (even great) to make Peter the villain, the writers pretty much robbed the story of anything resembling Barrie’s original–even the deep and unyeilding animosity between Hook and Peter. That’s probably the biggest problem with 3A–they spent almost too much time in Neverland, but not enough of it was fleshing out the world and the characters. Like why is it dark all the time? Who told Peter about Henry and gave him that drawing? Is Greg still alive since the Shadow was vanquished in SB? If the Peter and the Lost Boys could imagine what they wanted into existence–like food–then why was Peter sending Hook out on missions in the EF? Why did Hook even come back? And why was Hook searching for a way out of NVL in his final NVL flashback if Pan had been sending him out all along?
Yup, all valid points. Tink was a really frustrating character for me. I didn’t feel like the actress did a great job with it, nor did I like that she never interacted with Pan at all. Her backstory was boring, her character felt boring. Idk, did not really care for her. And I do really wish we got more information on the makeup and the characters of neverland. As you say, how Pan got the picture of Henry, more of Hook’s relationship with Pan, the shadow’s backstory, etc. I honestly think if done well, they could have spent the whole season in Neverland. It was weird. Some episodes dragged when they didn’t have to. They gave us this whole new realm that I found very compelling, and didn’t really delve into it as deep as they could have. They could have done that and avoided the slow episodes of wandering through the woods.
Season 3A:
Favorite Episode: Going Home
Honorable Mentions: The Heart of the Truest Believer, Think Lovely Thoughts, Save Henry
Favorite Character Introduced: For me, it’s Peter Pan. Robbie Kaye was awesome.
Honorable Mentions: Ariel, Roland, Felix,
Favorite Moment: Regina giving good memories to Emma and Henry and watching them drive off, and tied is Rumple’s speech and then killing Pan
Honorable Mentions: the scene with Snow and Emma in Lost girl about being an orphan, Pan killing Felix for the curse, the scene in the cave with Emma and Neal, the end of the premiere when Pan is revealed and he says, “Let’s play.”
I think the show spent the right amount of time in Neverland but there’s no doubt a couple episodes dragged. It got old kinda fast. But once they got to skull rock, it was fine again.
Making Peter Pan a villain was awesome. I loved it. I loved the twisted take on the shadow stealing kids and forcing them to be lost boys and then brainwashing them to actually enjoying their lives in Neverland. I think the concept worked so well and it was so original, and creepy. I also enjoyed the twist of Pan being the piped piper and that’s how he lured the boys.
I think the reveal that Pan was Rumple’s father was cool. That whole episode was cool. Although it did open up more questions and I would have liked the shadow’s backstory etc. etc., it was cool that his father became Pan, I thought.
Rumple’s sacrifice was great. I’m not sure how the sword was long enough to go through Pan and Rumple, or why Pan just let Rumple grab him and hold him with no magic, but the sacrifice was great. It was where Rumple should have died and remained dead.
My opinion still remains the same. Season 3a certainly had it’s flaws. Splitting them up, and wandering in the woods got boring and old quick, and Regina basically telling them they can’t use magic because they don’t know where it will poof them to, etc etc just so they could do it on foot was lame. But Peter Pan was so manipulating and maniacal. One of the best villains on the show. And the finale, was one of the best.
Season 3B:
Favorite episode: A Curious Thing, New York City Serenade, It’s Not Easy Being Green, all tied
Favorite New Character Introduced: No one seems particularly memorable here. Glinda and the witches maybe.
Favorite Moment: Regina taking down her sister
Honorable Mention: Rumple “killing” Zelena in the cell
No huge issues with Zelena being Regina’s sister. I just thought it was kinda thrown together and all of a sudden, Cora like deserted this other baby.
I honestly had no real “issue” with Neal’s death. At the time, I thought Captain Hook was more interesting and Neal got boring because he had no magic ability or real fighting skills. But the death seemed a little rushed, and after a couple more seasons now since the death, I do miss him and wish they did him justice a little better. He didn’t really die a hero like they say.
I liked that it was Regina who defeated Zelena. Big moment for her arc I thought.
I liked the time travel. Having Emma see her parents fall in love was so cute. I enjoyed it. However, I wish they had killed Charming instead of the whole shared heart thing. And then he could have been the one they saved in the past.
Looking back on it, I think it was the weaker of the two halves of season 3. I recently rewatched season 3a and 3b and got a bigger appreciating for 3a because of how many issues I had with 3B.
The split was OK. Had it’s flaws, but it was fine for me. It worked way less for season 4 I thought.
nother example I can give is 504 and 507, both showed a rushed relationships of two new characters, but 507 handled the relationship better than 504.
Not sure I agree with this. I think both were rushed. It’s hard not to have it rushed when it’s literally just on episode. We have obviously gotten more Belle and Rump,e episodes since then, but also Skin Deep works because it wasn’t a love story to serve the plot. It was just a love story. Arthur and Guineviere, and Merlin and Nimue….were both used to move the plot along. We needed to get backstory on Arthur and Guineviere to let us know G was a robot, and Arthur was a power hungry mad man. And we got the Nimue stuff because we needed to see the first dark one and how it happened as it relates to Merlin, the sorcerer. Both were rushed because they were forced upon us to drive the plot forward.
If filler episodes are handled well with a lot of character development then they can be great. I think the fillers are needed to allow characters to breath, react to what’s happening and be fleshed out. I don’t think that every episode needs to have the OMG moments.
Oh agreed. But the filler episodes in season 2 just seemed, well bad.
