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thedarkonedearie
ParticipantIf this is Emma Swan flashback episode, regarding her jacket, I’ll put that in the win column for me. I never guess anything right.
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ParticipantRight. I just thought it could Hades centric because of the title. That maybe Rumple and Hades have a connection. Why would Rumple’s episode be called Devil’s Due?
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ParticipantIt’s baiting. I think it’s going to be Hades’ episode, he has to have an episode, and this is a reference to his car.
So is “Devil’s Due” not Hades centric? Is it Rumple? Because if there isn’t a Hades one yet, then yeah this must be Hades. Although it is rather late in the season. It makes me think it’s quite the game changer.
thedarkonedearie
ParticipantI guess my question is: if the writers *are* writing these characters to be deliberately polarizing, what is their end game? Do they, in the end, pull up the curtain to reveal a fairly solid message about gender, gender depictions, power dynamics? I don’t think the writers are trying to say something about the culture war–which is such a big part of this shipping wars in this fandom–but are simply part of that war with their own piece of media.
Yes, they are stalling, and have been stalling. A lot of the time, the last few episodes of a given show really dictate the major themes and opinions of the writers on said show. I just recently finished a show, and I thought the final 5 episodes were just unreal, the best writing the show had ever produced. It was as if they knew that was their end game, and just needed to get there. It’s why I usually try and stick around to the end of shows. I do think once an end date is set, we will start to get very solid messages, and hopefully some important character moments, etc that bring the show home to a close. This has been my hope.
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ParticipantBut really, is this supposed to be a sick joke for SF fans?
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ParticipantI’m feeling an Emma Swan episode here. Something that mirrors “The Dark Swan.” Except now she’s a “Firebird” with her red leather jacket. Idk, just spit balling.
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ParticipantRight the version of Emma he knew and liked, but not the version of Emma that is her most authentic self. Why didn’t Emma simply choose to change into her own more traditional clthes (e.g. a leather jacket, jeans and boots)? Because she was trying to appeal more to the version of heself that Hook liked. That is what I mean about this version of Emma not being in keeping with the earlier versions of Emma that the showed tried to sell us on (and did successfully for me) in S1-S3.
Fair enough. Let’s seer what happens now that she isn’t the dark one. Like she already is back in her leather jacket. If she continue this behavior, then I will let you have this one haha.
thedarkonedearie
ParticipantShe did so because Hook was rejecting her as the dark one dressed all in black. And Emma desperately tried to soften herself to get him to see she was still the same Emma on the inside. But he still ended up rejecting her.
Right, but the DO outfit with the weird hair and glitter wasn’t her either. I think she was trying to let him know Emma (without the DO influence) was still there. That she could be the DO, but still be the Emma he knew.
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ParticipantBut it was one dress, one time.
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ParticipantMore than anything, I think the show needs to pull Henry back into the story as more than a prop for (both, really) his moms. You can complicate the mother and son dynamic and still have it be powerful. Think back to S1, the relationship between Henry and Emma was actually really complicated with Henry loving and believing in Emma from the start and Emma trying to not fall for her kid. It was sweet, frustrating at times, beautiful. Henry’s now a teenager and during what should be an even more complicated time in their lives, has been reduced down to really simplistic terms. I promise you, A and E, your audience can handle complexity.
This would go a long way for Emma’s character. Like I said, I’m hoping now that she isn’t the DO anymore, she will go back to being the Emma we love, and hopefully that involves interacting withe family who went along with you in the UW.
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