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I don’t want them to have met before. I just want to see their childhood experiences paralleled with one another.
Please this. If they decide to kill off Zelena, this could work great as a final episode to show that she just never got the same experience as Regina. Or, that their experiences weren’t actually quite different, even though Zelena believes she got jipped.
[adrotate group="5"]Because this show never does anything insulting?
Uhh, I know. But like, Snow and Charming’s true love is what enabled the curse. The show starts with them. They have basically implied before that their love is the best (which is ridiculous but that’s what they have implied). And THAT is like the only reason why splitting a heart even worked for them. If they go now, and say that Emma and Hook can do it too, not only does that imply that their 5 month long relationship is on par with Snow and Charming’s love, but it also just really diminishes the effect of the heart splitting. Now it seems any one can do it. I just have a sneaky suspicion that because Emma has already said this is her plan, that it isn’t going to go down like that. Even A&E have said that it’s not just going to be that easy. Instead, they’ll give us some other bull crap loophole haha. Just not this one.
Fish is absolutely in Strange’s lab. God I loved her. I too hope that means others will be back, like Jerome. Maybe he is actually the joker….
And yes, I watch Gotham too. Guess you’ll have to put up with me here as well 🙁
I don’t see it at all and I think it’s rather insulting to Snow and Charming to suggest that Emma and Hook have the same level of powerful love.
It is insulting. That’s why it’s not going to happen.
I am going very very very respectfully ask that you do that in the character threads then. We’ll move on to both Emma and Hook soonish (depends on how long Rumple takes). I just need to look at the whole picture and take everyone’s concerns and issues into account. You are, of course, more than welcome to weigh in on our conversations here. But the devil’s adovcate stuff, let’s do that in non-safe-haven places
Haha yes yes of course. I just wanted to make sure you knew I didn’t hate the Hook dumping. I wanted to challenge some opinions for the sake of debate. It seems the hate came from others.
For me, Rumple’s fear is often talked about too much. There is something far deeper than informs him and that’s being a son who was abandoned and a father who did the abandoning.
If we are going with what started it all, this is absolutely correct. It is what made season 3a so great. His father abandoning him started it all and shaped his character. But it’s because of that, and hyis cowardice and his fear, that he wants power. And right now, the power/addiction part of it is so prevalent that for me, it’s what encompasses his character.
You know, I’ve been wondering if a reason why the writers have been struggling with Rumple since 3B has to do with how his sacrifice at the end of 3A very much felt like that’s where his story could have ended. Everything came full circle for Rumple at that very moment. Rumple had already patched things up with his son, and now he was confronting his father, which was where it all started. This was also the moment where Rumple finally put aside his habit of self preservation in favor of protecting his loved ones. His family came before his power, which was the entire point of his character arc. However, both Adam and Eddy and ABC realized just how big of a draw Rumple is to the show, and weren’t content with losing him. Not only that, but the writers clearly prefer writing Rumple as a villain. Having Rumple remain a hero or neutral party just wasn’t going to cut it for them, and they needed a way to have him slide back. I guess a hero or neutral Rumple in a permanent capacity just isn’t interesting to the writers. That’s where killing Neal comes in. Having Zelena kill Neal and enslave Rumple with the dagger set the events that led to Rumple lying to Belle, and attempting to murder Zelena behind her back. So much of what Rumple had previously done was for his son, but he ultimately lost him in the end anyway. With Season 4, the hat appeared as a golden opportunity to “cleave” himself from the dagger once and for all, but of course he wasn’t going to let Belle in on that either, as he had to absorb people into the hat and crush Hook’s heart in order to do it. Then came Belle banishing him from Storybrooke, Rumple’s heart suddenly dying, Rumple plotting to find the Author with the Queens of Darkness, etc. Rumple was stripped of being the Dark One at the end of Season 4, with many of us thinking perhaps that would be the end of evil Rumple once and for all. After all, Rumple during Season 4 went as dark as we thought he could go, or so we thought. His heart was dying as a result of centuries worth of using dark magic, after all. With 5A, it certainly seemed like we were going to get the drama of Rumple being a mortal man again, and having to deal without magic. We got Emma shaping Rumple into a hero to pull Excalibur out from its stone. Rumple even faced Dark Hook in a sword fight, and proudly won without the use of magic. Then of course the 5A finale happened, and Rumple decided to become the Dark One once again, completely contradicting the whole point of that hero arc. Wow, this turned out much longer than I had planned, but the gist of it is that the writers have been at a loss as to how to write Rumple since 3B.
All of this. Yes. Season 3a should have been the end for Rumple. Now, if they give us a big revealing motivation behind Rumple’s reasoning for taking back the DO mantle, I think they can still bring the character to a close in a decent way, albeit different way than what his ending was supposed to be in season 3a. Perhaps something that involves his mother…..In a show about family, are we really going to get to the end of it without ever seeing Rumple’s mother? I doubt it.
All I can say is that this heart-splitting scheme had better not work. (even though I’m bracing myself for it). *HEADDESK!*
It’s not going to work.
Ok, Rumple’s not going to win any progressive gender politics awards from me, but do they mean to tell me that this is what addiction to power looks like? That’s OUAT’s response GoT’s Lord Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish?
At least we know what Littlefinger’s overall intentions are. He needs to be sneaky and manipulative to gain power through different means so he can maybe one day, rule the Iron Throne, or at the very least, put the person he wants on the Iron Throne. Why does Rumple want the power? Why is he addicted to the power, other than he doesn’t want to be weak again. Does he want to be the ultimate ruler of Storybrooke? Ultimate ruler of EF? For me, there has to be a bigger reason he wants all the power (and has tried to cleave himself from the dagger in season 4a). Not wanting to be weak, and not wanting to go back to being a coward isn’t enough. I hope that we get a big reveal into Rumple’s big motive for wanting the power, something that truly puts him into the villain category and lets us understand his actions a little more, and possibly even sets up the end game for the show. I’m asking a lot, I know, but since the very beginning I wanted Rumple to be the person that stands in the way of everyone’s happy ending when all is said and done. He has the most power, always has since becoming the DO. Does the Savior’s light magic outweigh the DO’s dark magic? I’m getting chills. Just one time, that’s all I ask.
But I don’t think they did this early on. What I dislike about the way Rumple is written post-reboot is the way in which these very complex social and psychological issues explored in the first 3 seasons, and the commentary on class and power, gets jettisoned in favor of a much flatter narrative along the “Rumple seeks power and hence is evil” lines. And actually, this would be almost OK, if it were where the show started in the first place, but we were shown something else. So the result of this, is that OUAT ended up doing something really awful: it “naturalized” Rumple’s evilness, but because we had this class commentary early on, it can be easily read as a subtle commentary about who’s “deserving” and who “isn’t.” Ie. peasants should mind their place because they are of “lower stock.” I’m not saying that this is what they’re consciously doing, but I think there’s a risk of that interpretation — it’s subtle, like OUAT’s racism is subtle
Great post! As it stands right now, we don’t really know if there is a specific reason why Rumple wants the power again, other than for fear of being a coward. As a result, he definitely feels naturalized a bit. However, I do remember A&E saying something a couple months ago about how we will learn what’s going on in Rumple’s mind and why he took the darkness back.
If Rumple just wants the power, and doesn’t use it for manipulation or to hurt people (and only uses it to protect Belle and family), then you are right, we should not be condemning him for wanting to be “the dark one” and to have the power. The problem is, that with being the dark one, you not only have the power, but the darkness. It clearly can influence what you do and it has influenced him, Hook, and even Emma a little. But if he is able to harness the darkness and just use the power for self-defense, he should not be condemned as a villain.
But back to what I remember A&E saying, it seems a more direct explanation regarding Rumple’s “motives” (if I recall that is the word they used), is coming our way and perhaps that will rid Rumple of the naturalization you spoke of and give us a deeper understanding of why Rumple is doing what he is doing (justified or unjustified, good or bad), instead of just, I want power and that makes me evil because wanting power is evilz.
They even went through the trouble of having Brennan go under a sleeping curse in order to still be alive at that point. The writers have no problem coming up with contrived flashbacks, if they suit whatever the current story is, regardless if it feels contradictory to the show’s previously established mythology or not.
I’m hoping they learned from their mistakes. Bc that was awful.
