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And I really did not mean to call anyone out here. It was just something I noticed. It’s on hiatus and there was a lot of negativity. I really was genuinely curious as to why some people on here still watched the show because it seemed they didn’t care for it much anymore. I just hope some people are a little excited to see what they do with the underworld arc. It can’t get much worse than the first half right?
[adrotate group="5"]I really and truly resent the implication that because we’re disillusioned, disappointed or even angry with the show, we’re not allowed to watch or discuss or analyze. Not how critical analysis works or how the human mind should ever work.
Didn’t mean to offend anyone here. It just seems that despite some of the positives that you mentioned you like about the show, they don’t seem to get talked about much. And it seems you rack your brains and bang your heads against the table constantly to the point where it seems like not only you are critiquing it, but it seems like a chore and it frustrates you so much, it feels like you aren’t enjoying yourself. Obviously people watch shows because they want to critique them and voice concerns on a larger scale regarding themes that pop up in the show. I totally understand that. It just doesn’t seem like some people on this thread enjoy talking about the negatives. It’s a lot of, “this show has bad writing and hasn’t been good since,” (fill in the blank). And even with the last batch of episodes, the comments about the episodes were mostly negative and I get people enjoy critiquing shows, it just seems like it’s a struggle to watch the show anymore. There are some people that post on this forum that never have anything good to say about the show. And it is that reason, that makes me question why they waste their time watching it. I think it’s a fair question and certainly reasonable giving the amount of scrutiny I see. I feel like I’m the one attempting to defend the show and the writers constantly to a bunch of “fans” who have nothing but negative things to say.
And don’t get me wrong, I love debating the show. But it is rather refreshing to hear Daniel and Jeremy on the podcast because they make it very clear what they liked and didn’t like about a certain episode, instead of just focusing on all the negatives. And I know you guys post the “what you liked/disliked about the episode,” after it airs, and there is certainly some positive talk that goes on there. Maybe there seems like a lot of negativity because the show is on hiatus and coming off of arguably it’s worst half season yet. I’ll just blame it on that.
I just don’t understand why you guys still watch the show if you hate it so much. I’ve never seen so much negativity in a forum about a show that we all still watch. I personally still think they can turn things around and get back to telling the stories properly, mainly because they have always said that they have an end game. So once they stop stalling with story lines they clearly were never planned in advance, I think the final half season or season or whatever could be really great. But for those of you who feel like Neal’s death killed the show and it’s past the point of fixing it, I don’t get why you still watch it. Despite it’s huge flaws, especially in this last half season, I still enjoy it, so I’m still here. Are you guys just determined to finish it out because you’ve invested all this time already?
EDIT: also you seem to think that LOST and OUAT have the same cultural cache/status with ABC. They do not. LOST was lightening in a bottle and a phenomenon that skyrocketed. OUAT is not. It began a descent in S2 (ratings wise) and never really fully recovered (apart from the shark jump of Frozen that was temporary). LOST remained (and remains) one of the most talked about, analyzed, well received TV shows in the past 15 years. OUAT does not get the same treatment as LOST. Just like no other show on ABC got the same treatment before cancellation: ie: Revenge, Resurrection–both of which had very strong first seasons and were considered “hits” before the inevitable decline and cancellation.
I guess I just don’t see a show without Snow White. I understand what Grey’s Anatomy did, but I mean I just think this is different. And when watching Revenge, I just felt like that show literally had nothing else to talk about, and you could see that show absolutely ending halfway through its last season. I just don’t see OUAT ending it this season.
And obviously LOST is very different than OUAT. But I will say, neither Revenge nor Resurrection made it to Season 5. I just feel after getting to a 100th episode, there is some respect there and I’d like to think they would treat OUAT fans better than that by letting us know it was in fact the end a little more in advance. And while Lost was certainly lightning in a bottle, you cannot deny the ratings went down starting with season 3, however it was very important that the writers felt they had no more story to tell. With OUAT, A&E still have material to work with. We haven’t even dove into Aladdin yet. But as far as McDreamy vs. Snow White goes, yes I get the comparison you are making but this show is about fairy tales, it’s about Disney. There’s a reason Snow is still trekking along on all these trips to realms. It’s because her presence is important, even if she has taken a step back from the spotlight. I guess we’ll have to see.
Yeah I just don’t see them continuing the show without Ginny. Despite her and Charming’s maddening behavior, they are crucial to the overall story. Like it’s one thing to have minor characters shipped off to forgotten character island, but you can’t put Snow White there on a show about fairy tales that all started with her and Charming, and I’m sure ABC knows that. I really just don’t see them continuing the show without her. Where would all the cliche hope preaching come from?
Agreed. If Josh and Ginny decided not to renew their contracts, I think A&E would be hard-pressed to end the show. I hear that Ginny is expecting her second child, which does leave a question in my mind as to whether she’d continue to work full time with two small children at home. I could see her stepping down as a series regular while Josh continues to work full time. She might just become a reappearing guest star or something (or else have fewer scenes like she did in S3b).
Agreed. I would assume Ginny would have told A&E that she wanted no part of a sixth season by now, and if that was the case, A&E would have wanted to wrap it up this season I feel. And if that’s true, we as fans would know if this was the last season or not by now. Since ABC hasn’t said anything, I’m assuming at the very least, there will be a season 6 and Ginny will be part of it, even if it is in a guest role until they need her for the very end.
I will say however, I expect Snow and Charming to be pivotal at the end of this. With this whole sharing a heart thing, my prediction has always been that the two of them would bite the dust together in a last moment of glory to save Emma and or save baby Neal, which would mirror the pilot. And right now, the characters are just in limbo until the writers need them for the end. And if A&E let Ginny and Josh know there future plans for them, maybe that’s incentive enough for the two to stick around.
And as Rumples Girl corrected, ABC let fans know way before season 6 of LOST started that it would be the final season. And I think the show benefited a ton from announcing an end date in advance. Gosh I miss Lost…
Even though Snow White and Charming have been sidelined, they’re still essential to A&E’s vision of what Happily Ever looks like for Emma and Henry.
Well exactly. Those two started it all. They should have a big hand in how the show finishes.
To sum it up, there is no question about season 6. There will be season 6. The question is which actors will continue to do the show.
Right, I guess what I meant was, they aren’t going to continue the show without Ginny, Josh, Robert and Emilie. That’s just not going to happen. And with LOST, they announced at the start of season 6, that it would it’s last, and as a result the ratings spiked a little. I expect ABC will do the same for OUAT.
I can’t seem to find anything about the actors’ contracts, but as far as I know season 5 is the final season they are contracted to do. I would be very surprised if Ginny, Josh, Robert and Emilie continued to season 6.
I would be very surprised if this was the last season. Based on the ratings, what ABC execs have said, and just where the story currently is (don’t think they can wrap it up successfully in a half season), I fully expect season 6 to be the last, no matter what the contracts are. It would be very disappointing if they had to end it short. The writers would want to tell the fans when the final season was, or when they were ending it. If they cut it after this season, it would not be part of the plan.
And also, the whole Bear King episode, and the scene where Ruby is on top of Mulan in wolf form and then changes into human form which creates the awkwardness between the two, is totally setting us up. They wouldn’t have included that literal awkward scene with those two just to have it. They are leading us somewhere with them. And although it was annoying to see Mulan once again not fully say she was in love with Aurora in the episode, you get what A&E are trying to do with her. They wouldn’t have given us that if Mulan wasn’t part of it going forward. I’m telling you guys, right now, I’ll bet my life that the couple is Red and Mulan. Book it. I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong haha.
