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I wouldn’t have had a problem with Neal’s death if it had been done right and if it had had an emotional impact on the characters, especialy on Emma, but they basically forgot about about him two episodes later when Emma spend an entire episode with Regina (SQ fanservice) and the lips curse started (CS fanservice)
Ok so this is honestly the brunt of the disagreement here. Just because they write two characters interacting with each other, does not mean they are doing a service to SQ fans. They have to write a friking story. Regina is a big part of the story with Emma since the start of the show. Just because they have time together on screen does not mean they are trying to appease shippers. You could say they are trying to appease all ships if you go down that road.
[adrotate group="5"]I think the only reason Regina was compelling in season 2 was because of Lana’s acting. I don’t know why they thought they would make us have sympathy for Regina by showing us she massacred an entire village and planning to kill everyone in Storybrooke.
It’s a fair point. The slaughtering of the village was ridiculous given what they were trying to do with the character. However, I had no issue with the characters not forgiving her until season 3B because she was truly a terrible person to everyone. Forgiveness takes time and it felt realistic. Regina’s entire story arc is the only thing that doesn’t feel rushed on this show. I don’t know if it’s Lana’s acting, the writing, or whatever. Even when evil, she always loved her son. Henry was her moral ground. And Emma’s relationship with Regina over the years is also the best written relationship on the show. And it shall be her and Emma standing together to take down Rumple once and for all……haha I wish.
But back to jumping the shark….as others have pointed out, jumping the shark is something the writers incorporate that seems out of left field just to improve ratings. Just because they wrote away from what made season 1 so great, doesn’t mean they are jumping the shark. If you are one of those people who truly believes they are writing for the sole purpose of shippers out there, then ok. Maybe, because they are attempting to change up the story to please fans and therefore keep the viewers they have. But I just don’t buy it. Writers take risks. They took a risk with Neal and killed him off. Maybe that didn’t work. But as I’ve said before, I think fans get way too caught up in shipping everyone and shipping wars that they think writers do too when the plot happens to coincide with their ship beliefs. I think it’s entirely possible the writers loved Hook, knew the fans loved Hook, felt that Neal had run it’s course, and thought it would be an emotional death, and a way for us to really hate Zelena. And then, Hook gets even closer to Emma and shippers think it’s because there were more CS fans then SwanFire fans. All you can do is speculate. You don’t really know.
If I was writing a story, I would certainly take into consideration fan favorites and what not, but it would not be the biggest factor in my storytelling. I would think that I would have a story I wanted to tell and I would tell it. Obviously if your ratings suck, you may need to change things, but to say they jumped the shark because the narrative revolved around ships seems silly. There were ships going on in season 1 too. Obviously snowing, Emma and Graham, Regina and Graham, Rumple and Belle. The writing has just contradicted itself and has just been generally poor lately but that is not jumping the shark.
I think the way Regina was written in Season 2 was the first major problem with the show.
Really disagree with you here. I think Regina’s story from evil queen to redemption might be the only arc they have done well. Is she better evil? Maybe. But her struggle on screen, (and Lana Parrila’s acting) I’ve actually really enjoyed, and would not loop into the jumping the shark conversation at all.
Hook had til that moment been awful, trying to kill Emma and Snow, working with Cora, trying to keep Snow and Emma from getting back to Storybrooke, shooting Belle to hurt Rumpel, being locked up in jail and then wandering off to help Cora again, taking part in the torture of Regina, stealing the bean.
And I also disagree with this. I think Hook was compelling up until he became Emma’s love interest. Colin O’Donoghue was so good at playing an evil pirate, and the he got so soft in season 4. It was tough to watch. what compelled me the most about Hook was trying to figure out where he stood and sided with. He was a mystery but also had very obvious intentions. And he knew he had to walk a tight line with working with Cora and getting his own revenge on Rumple when he himself possessed zero magic and could get screwed in a second. And yet, he talked his way out with words. And then, he fell in love with Emma and his character became bland and awful. The struggle didn’t feel real like it was with Regina.
He just became boring and decided he was done being all revengy and what not. If you’re going to say the show jumped the shark before season 4A, the point where they made CS shippers happy by putting Emma and Hook together was it.
What if someone, perhaps Cruella, wants to make some new wolf footwear? Hence the title “Ruby Slippers”
Now that would be creative and original. Take the iconic name, “ruby slippers,” and spin it by including Cruella. I love it.
Who remembers where the silver slippers are? Does Dorothy have them? Does Zelena have them? My memory is failing me…
Well I doubt the title is referring to a literal pair of ruby slippers because the concept of the ruby slippers are trademarked specifically for the original MGM movie, which Warner Bros currently owns the rights to.
Right, and I do remember OUAT going with the silver slippers. Then what could this title mean? It obviously can’t be the literal meaning and I’m not buying that A&E would engage in a ship tease and name their title after one. If it isn’t literally the ruby slippers, I’m confused as to what it means, metaphorically, or literally. Even if it did mean the couple was Red and Dorothy, “Ruby Slippers” still doesn’t make sense unless they are literally shipping the name.
Speaking of people we’ll never hear from again….still no sign of the Camelot Crew.
This has me so worried. I swear, if they don’t end their arc…
I suspect the reasoning is something like this: while Dorothy and Red are coming to terms with their new relationship, Mulan is deciding to be more open about her sexuality.
It’s also possible that the title simply refers to the slippers, since it is Dorothy centric. And perhaps Mulan is in it too. We could still get MulanRouge, and then have it be a Dorothy and Zelena episode. All 4 could be tied into it. I’m not sold that just because the episode title refers to Ruby and an Oz item, it means Dorothy and Red are gonna be a thing. But who knows.
We know Meghan is on set and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Dorothy is Red hook up.
Ok, if this is true, why bring Mulan in at all? If the LGBTQ relationship is Dorothy and Red, does this mean Mulan is being brought back for more than just a possible relationship? Could we actually get her backstory at some point? Or did the writers change their mind on who they wanted the lesbian relationship to be so now no more Mulan? This title is very intriguing to say the least, and pretty clever.
The first thought is that she’s appearing in 518, but another idea came to mind.
Is there any chance that the blind witch is actually important somehow? We all thought it was odd to include her in the dead characters reunion, but maybe there is a reason, other than just bringing back as many old faces as possible no matter how minor.
