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Janie Murray is doing SUCH a great job with her role. I haven’t enjoyed a villain this much since Cruella in S4.
I think the fact that The Black Fairy is an original OUAT character helps her as well. We have nothing to compare it to.
[adrotate group="5"]Or as Daniel put in in the podcast, the drinking game to hydrate yourself with water! You can never be too hydrated….That being said, I plan on being quite hydrated after each remaining episode this season.
Yeah, I never said people should change their opinions. If people want to be negative, then by all means be negative! However, that could be a direct result of why Hook fans and CS fans left. That’s all I was saying. My attempt to reignite the CS thread was to create some balance. You may think balance is not needed. But when the forums are overwhelmingly one-sided, it makes it hard to talk about the other side at all. So my intent was to open up the communication waves with this thread to see if a healthy discussion of CS and Hook specifically could be done so I wouldn’t have to jump into the SF thread.
If there’s a S7, I’m kind of expecting that Emma is going to end up pregnant and that’s gonna be quite the baby. A baby not only born of true love but a Savior baby as well. That’s gonna be a very strong baby.
Oh man, Savior baby…….I mean I sense many superlatives coming…..
don’t feel he has become this way because he wants to be, but because being any other way will push Emma away from him. I said in some other thread that Hook was selfish and even though Michael misconstrued it by saying that he has done things for Emma and that was exactly what I meant. Everything he does he does for his own purposes, which are getting Emma to stay with him. Take her out of the picture and he reverts to who he is. He doesn’t care about other people around him (and now, not even Emma seems to care about others around her). CS doesn’t mesh well with everyone else in this show.
See, this I have a problem with. Do you think that he helped Charming simply bc of Emma? No, bc he was very uncomfortable helping Charming bc it meant lying to Emma. But he did it for HIM! What about telling Charming not to kill King George? What did that have to do with Emma. That was just Hook being a better person and not wanting to kill. What about Belle? He didn’t have to give her refuge when Emma was nowhere to be found to help. What about saving Belle? What about apologizing to Belle for shooting her and telling her Rumple really does love her? He didn’t have to do that for Emma. What about saving Henry? He didn’t have to do that. Ever hear of jerk boyfriends who love your mother but don’t care about you at all? Well, that’s not Hook. He genuinely wanted to get Henry’s approval of him. Does he do a lot of stuff simply so he can stay with Emma and be with her? Yup, absolutely. As he should. He loves her and would do anything for her. Has there really been many opportunities for him to help others which have zero affect on Emma? Not really. But when given the opportunity, he has!
You are correct about getting zero repercussions for his behaviors though. That is a problem and it reflects poorly on the show and perhaps that’s why people don’t like Hook bc he gets away with everything with zero backlash afterwards. But that’s the show’s fault. It’s nothing that Hook is doing to make you not like him.
o be fair, Oncepodcast doesn’t endorse or denounce any ships, like Daniel. The people can talk about any ship and their views here. The CS fans left this place because not everyone here wanted to agree with their opinions. No one was ran out. No one was forced out. They were numerous just like everyone else, including SF. They found greener pastures elsewhere I assume, where they could boast CS without hearing any criticism. And theres nothing wrong with that. But don’t act like its the forums fault, please.
I was just speculating and going on my personal experience with these forums here bc as a Hook fan, I felt there was so much negativity, even when he did positive things, that it made me want to leave. So I speculated that perhaps that’s why all the CS fans left as well. So yes, since I felt that the negativity was overwhelming and at times completely unjustified towards Hook, it made me want to leave therefore I can certainly say it was the forum’s fault for making me feel that way and therefore am totally in my right to speculate that these forums also made CS fans want to leave as well. I know you want to protect your forums here but there is a ton of negativity and a ton geared toward Emma and Hook so it makes a lot of sense that people who like those characters would get really turned off here.
I guess my point is, the writers skipped Hook’s redemption arc so we never got to see his journey from point A to Point B. He wasn’t good enough for Emma in season 2 and now he’s too good for her in season 6. I probably would’ve liked Season 6 Hook and Season 2 Emma to get together, but because of lazy writing on the writer’s part, it’s not a pairing I can fully support.
So I think a lot of what you say here is valid. And I agree with most of it. I think what really ruffles my feathers is when people say Hook hasn’t changed and they still label him with adjectives that represented him way back when he was a crude pirate. That makes me mad bc people are so blind and hate him so much that they can’t even see when the character is doing good things. He has gotten ridiculed so much this season on these forums and I just get tired of it. But yes, the CS relationship is flawed bc they rushed Hook’s “redemption arc” and Emma has become someone who only cares about her relationship with Hook. Her relationship with Henry, Regina, Snow etc has really taken a nose dive.
So if Black Fairy is going to drop the ball into the well to potentially create another curse (potentially to get them to sing), don’t we think that would be at the end of this episode. And then since the next episode is Black Fairy centric, could we possibly get something similar to Lost where the whole episode in her centric is in the past, aka no storybrooke scenes at all (kind of like Across the Sea from Lost). And then The Song in Your Heart picks up where we leave off in this episode with a weird singing curse engulfing storybrooke…
Yeah like they are making the book important in this shot. It’s very interesting. The book wouldn’t even be there in any normal circumstance. Or he’d at least have it on the chair or something. Perhaps it’s just something simple like he’s recording the wedding for the book. Or he’s getting ready to read Emma and Hook’s story from the book, but I think it has something to do with something else.
