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How could you possibly have thought they were joking? A death threat is not a joke.
Because her tone and entire demeanor was completely different the second time she came into Gold’s shop. That was a real threat.
[adrotate group="5"]technically she was the millers daughter before she was a mother. The only original (main) characters are Emma, Henry, and Neal. We have original side characters to (Lily, Dragon, Tamara, etc) but Cora no count. Unless we count the likes of Greg and Tamara, I think Black Fairy is the first central villain who is original.
Right in the show’s timeline, she was first the Miller’s daughter. However, in how the story unfolded to the audience, she was simply Regina’s over-protective mother who wanted power. So she started out as an original character, then they molded her story to fit with previous told literature. That’s why I count Cora.
actually quite enjoyed Hook this episode for what it’s worth. But I agree his scenes were pointless to the episode. I highly doubt any of the neverland/tiger lily stuff will tie into anything having to do with the black fairy
Oh yeah I doubt it will either. But it will have something to do with how he gets home. Which is my point.
I am making sense. The Hook scenes had nothing to do with anything. There was no character development. They were Hook interacting with a character who holds no relevance to the plot and even if he somehow shows up and takes Hook’s ship, he could have done that without all of that wasted screen time. Hook can get home without showing him wandering around, gambling and adventuring, with Blackbeard. Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, nothing in that episode was at all about that. They could have just left the bit where Gideon tells Emma that Hook can’t get back because he has her tears and left it at that. Those scenes were a complete waste and were off point in an episode that was about Emma/Snow, Henry/Regina, and Gideon/Black Fairy/Belle.
If Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, you can’t say all these scenes don’t matter. They are leading to the moment where he is able to finally go home. It’s called plot. It’s called a story. To just say that Hook can’t get back and not show us his struggle and who he meets and what he does to get back, and then poof, he’s back….well talk about underwhelming. Again, you may not like the plot of Hook being gone and trying to find his way home, but for the whole Hook finding his way home plot, what he’s doing is relevant (to that plot). It’s not like they showed us a scene where Hook strikes up a conversation with a local pigeon and has a drink with it. That would be irrelevant. But with Blackbeard, he got the bean from him. How? In a poker game Blackbeard cheated at. They then used the bean but it took them to Neverland instead. That’s called plot points. Again, you may not like the story/plot they are telling, and you may not like that the scenes were meshed in this episode with the Black Fairy, but nothing happened in Hook’s story in this episode that wasn’t relevant to him finding a way back home.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
Really? You wouldn’t be nagging on the show for not showing us how he got to Neverland? That would be ridiculous if all they showed was him in Neverland and didn’t show how he got there.
How is that not a death threat? She was not referring to the black fairy she was referring to herself killing him and snow helping?
Honestly, I felt like she was joking.
Your right, I felt bad for Belle who was being used by Emma
Huh? When did Emma use Belle?
Your right I view the manipulation as much worse on Emma’s part. Emma was manipulating gold for her own selfish needs, Gideon was manipulating Emma to save 100’s of children and defeat an evil person
Ok but her “selfish needs” was her bf’s life. Not a sandwich or an item or something like that.
I don’t think Cora counts. She was the Queen of Hearts and the miller’s daughter.
True, but first she was Cora, an original character (Regina’s mom) before she became the Queen of Hearts. But yes, I guess technically you are right.
“Your son has a death wish and I am all to happy to oblige” Snow then states “and I would be happy to help, we have been looking for some mother/daughter bonding time” This is a DEATH threat right after Gideon explained why he needed Emma’s help. Emma goes on to state that Gideon is using Hook as a bargaining chip. This is the scene I am upset with and probably everyone else who is complaining about Emma. This scene was horrible and Emma and Snow were selfish, hypocritical jerks. Emma then finds Gideon and tells him he has the look of hope and that she is willing to help him after he gives her Hook back. (OK I will give her this one although really let’s let the innocent children suffer so that you can get your pirate back sooner?) then they go to the house and Gideon leaves her for dead. She then threatens his life again, which is understandable and Rumple threatens Emma which is also understandable.
Ahh ok yes. So here’s the sticking point. I did not see that as a death threat. She did not say she would kill him in my eyes. I took it as your son has a death wish bc he’s trying to take out the darkest sorcerer of all time, and at this point, Gideon had already tried to kill Emma and he took Hook away. So like, I totally get why she said what she said. And I totally get why you and others would take that as a death threat. I just didn’t. But yes, he was using Hook as a bargaining chip which is not ok! Is it hypocritical of her? Yes. She did that with Gold. However Gold did something bad and promised Belle he wouldn’t. Emma did nothing to anyone for Gideon to blackmail her with. So Gideon created the leverage and sent Hook away. So like, while I do see the the comparison differently than you do, I get how one could seethe situations to be the same. It’s still hypocritical of her, but no one felt bad for Gold. He did a bad thing and Emma was using that against him. In this case, Emma didn’t do anything except get her bf taken away from her. Also, she literally needed Rumple to open the portal to the UW to save her bf! Gideon just wanted to leverage Emma so that he could kill her (or help stop a villain). I just don’t view the manipulations the same.
Nope you are missing the point, the point is not what happened at the ending scene it is what happened in the scene in the shop where Emma and Snow threatened to kill Gideon and Emma was upset that Gideon was using Hook as a bargaining chip. This is the scene we are all upset about. The ending scene makes sense, this scene does not.
Perhaps I am remembering this wrong then. I did not think Emma threatened to kill Gideon the first time she went to Gold’s shop.
I actually don’t have a problem with the ending scene between Emma and Rumple, I think Emma has every right at that moment to be upset and I think Rumple has every right to tell Emma not to mess with his son, I have a problem with the scene in the shop where Emma and Snow where selfish, hypocritical jerks.
Wasn’t this the same scene? The sequence of events as I remember it were:
1. Emma punches Gideon and threatens him. And I do think it’s justified. He already tried to kill her.
2. After Gideon explains himself, Emma goes to see Gold in his shop where he explains The Black Fairy’s darkness, how she created the dark curse, how messed up Gideon is bc she raised him, how she is Rumple’s mother, and how they need to align themselves to take her down. Emma agrees and goes to help Gideon do this.
3. Gideon tricks Emma and leaves her for dead. Rumple saves her.
4. Emma and Snow storm into Gold’s office and everyone threatens everybody haha
Am I remembering this wrong?
