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Oh she may have a past with Hook but does it necessarily have to be from Neverland? Also couldn’t Tiger Lily have been with Hook in Neverland but still get abducted by the Black Fairy? I just don’t foresee another Hook flashback since we already got one in the first half of the season. And I don’t think we are getting a Tiger Lily flashback. So that means she just shows up somehow in the current plot and since we aren’t going to Neverland this season (unless that is where the Nautilus is going), and since Black Fairy is coming soon….I think it all could be connected.
The only thing I can think of is if Tiger Lily is actually with Gideon. Like romantically. They met in the dark realm bc Black Fairy took her too. And they “fast grew up” together. Then Gideon left to perform this mission in storybrooke and Tiger Lily is still in the dark realm right now with Black Fairy, and Gideon promised he would be back as the new Savior to save her, defeat the Black Fairy, and save the dark realm.
Depends on if she’s a villain or not. I still don’t get what her connection to all of this is going to be. It seems so incredibly random.
Sure. But normal people aren’t going to forgive you for that over the course of one day. Look at how long it took Regina with others. I don’t want Hook to confess and get forgiven in the span of one episode or even two.
Haha so true. It’s why they needed Hook to tell him before now so that they could give Charming a few episodes to reflect and then eventually forgive him. If he forgives him on the spot or in one episode, that is a problem.
A mistake is something you do accidently. Hook made a choice and was only stopped by being caught in the act.
I think you can make a choice that was a mistake. A mistake is, “An action or judgement that is misguided or wrong.” Hook’s action was planning on destroying his memories thus not telling Emma and Charming the truth. And that was a wrong action. Thus, his choice to perform that action, was wrong, thus making it a mistake.
But I don’t think this should be about the way the proposal went down. What does it matter? Its about what is happening between Hook and Emma right now as they are planning to move their relationship to the next level. What good is a proposal when you find out the person you are trying to marry is keeping big secrets from you. That’s not a good way to start a life together. I’m no CS fan but even if it was, screw the proposal, it could have been the most extravagant magical man on one knee proposal ever, once Hook made that choice all that goes out the window. This shouldn’t be a way to lead them to doing a better proposal.
Not to bring up any ship wars or whatever, but I have to think that if it was reversed and Neal and Emma’s proposal didn’t go as planned and was murky and the perfect proposal all SF fans were hoping for got ruined, you would be rooting for the show to turn that around and do a double take and give the audience the proposal they wanted to see. But maybe not…
And that’s an issue for me. I feel like all this is nothing but a big runaround, a setup for a big moment for Hook. Which I don’t have a problem with but I feel a much better option would have been for him to tell the truth in the first place!!! THAT would have shown he was a changed man, a noble man, a brave man who was confronting the past and laying himself out bare for Emma knowing that she may leave him and then having her accept his proposal or whatever. This was a yuge missed opportunity.
I don’t disagree with this. It would have been better to just have Hook tell her. But this is why the CS proposal matters! Bc he was about to tell her and then the writers stupidly had Emma find the ring, interrupt Hook, and influence Hook into not ruining the moment, even though it was already ruined bc he was drunk and had a huge secret to tell her, instead of letting Hook do the right thing and do what he finally got the courage to do. So not only did Hook’s character take a hit bc he didn’t tell her, but the whole proposal is shadowed by this lie. They royally screwed it up. So now, they need to fix it. Not even from a CS standpoint, but from a character standpoint to bring Hook out of the crapper again and to give Emma the proper proposal, with no secrets, with the man she loves. It’s important for the story. At least I think so.
But….okay, don’t throw tomoatoes at me here but…. Does Hook deserve it? Once again….Hook made a choice. One that was only stopped by Emma walking in on him in the act. Had Hook had it his way, no one was ever going to find out. In the words of a great sorcerer, its not a persons actions that define them, but their choices.
And what I’ll say to this is simply that the writers want us to feel like Emma gave him no choice but to propose on the spot, and they want us to feel like Hook wasn’t really able to tell her at that point. The writers wanted their cake and eat it too. They wanted Hook to back out of telling the truth to cause drama but also wanted the fans to know he was absolutely going to tell her. The problem though is that HE STILL COULD HAVE TOLD HER. So now people who don’t like Hook can ignore that he had made a decision to tell her and was going to and simply focus on the fact that after the proposal, he made the wrong decision, a choice, a mistake, to not tell anyone. The writer’s plan backfired. So in order to properly fix Hook’s character, and give the main character, Emma, the proper happy ending, or at least a wedding to someone she loves, they HAVE to fix the proposal. They have to fix what Hook ultimately decided to do or this relationship’s final bow will not stick.
The different realm has to be Agrabah right? Or…………….did Gideon send them to the dark realm….then Black Fairy escapes with them and that’s how she gets to Storybrooke?
I think my biggest issue is possibly with Charming and Hook. Charming needs to learn the whole story–not just that Hook killed Robert. Charming needs to learn that Robert was on his way home, wanting to be a better man for his son, that he begged for his life for the sake of his son, and still Hook killed Robert. This is a formative moment in Charming’s young life, something that really affected him. It baffles me that Charming could ever truly accept Hook after learning the whole story. And to be fair, it baffles me that this family could ever have dinner together after all the staby-staby
Well the show preaches redemption and forgiveness so if we can forgive Regina and a bazillion other people, and Snowing can preach about forgiveness and hope all the time, and Charming sincerely meant that Killian was a different man, forgave him for his past actions, and that he sincerely gave him his blessing bc of that, he needs to forgive him for killing his father. I get it’s more personal bc it directly affects him now, but how hypocritical will it look if he doesn’t forgive him? Sure, it’s easy to forgive somebody when he murdered other people in the past (at least on this show), but now when it directly affects you…what’s he going to do?
But I do hope that Hook tells him everything he knows. He needs to tell him that King George did in fact order Robert to be killed by his men. That those men did take him out to the woods to finish him off. That Hook temporarily saved him and killed King George’s men, and then stole their valuables and killed his father, not knowing who he was. Charming deserves to hear all of that. I too am worried we won’t see it. Didn’t Charming find out that his father became a better person and wanted to come home though? I thought he found that part out. As of now, Charming thinks he has closure with all of this. The only wrinkle was right at the end with Hook doing the murder.
3) Emma didn’t save Hook in the UW. She literally left him. Hook had be deus ex machina’d by Zeus, remember?
Haha true. Well, she tried to save him haha.
1) They need to stop lying to each other. It’s what Emma said this week. The idea that Hook can show up like a pirate out of a Harlequin romance novel and “save the day” and be forgiven is absurd. There’s a deep wound here, not only because of the lies to Emma but also to Charming. This can’t resolve with some sort of act, it’s needs to be a conversation. And what does it say about Emma that she’s willing to forgive just about anything simply because the guy came back with the show’s equivalent of flowers and candy? What happens the next time one of them lies to the other? Just do another good deed? It’s a cycle. And not a healthy one.
Ok but technically he didn’t lie to Emma. I know I’m grasping at straws a bit but technically he didn’t lie. He withheld information bc he was too afraid to tell her…and I get why he was. Bu he still needed to tell her. It was a mistake on his part. But if Hook returns and apologizes for not telling everyone sooner and then subsequently saves Emma from Gideon and then somehow figures out a way to break the curse, that would be something and I disagree that it would rob the story. I’m not saying he needs to be the one to break the curse…I mean if he figures out the way to break it. We can still have Emma or Henry perform a kiss or whatever you want, but maybe they’ll have Hook figure it out. I’m not sure how that robs anything.
And I agree that there needs to be a conversation with Hook and Charming. But I mean if Charming is sleeping, and it appears he was for the entirety of the episode with Snow being the one awake, then Hook can’t really tell Charming can he? Sure he missed his chance right after he found out…but we also haven’t seen David since that episode right? It’s not like Charming and Hook have hung out and Hook decided against telling him. I think it can be assumed Charming has been asleep since murder most foul. So if Hook comes back, and helps break the curse to wake up Charming, Snow is the one who is awake at the moment, then that will give Hook the opportunity to fully come clean, apologize to David once the curse is lifted, ask for forgiveness, and then potentially help save Emma from Gideon as well. I think all of THAT would be enough to give Hook his moment and allow Emma to take him back. I don’t think it would be fair to compare all of that to flowers and candy.
And to be clear, I’m not saying this is what is going to happen. But to me, the CS proposal kinda sucked and then how Emma found out about Charming’s dad kinda sucked. And now Emma gave the ring back, and Killian has been sent away and Charming still doesn’t know and Emma can’t tell him bc he’s asleep, and Killian can’t tell him bc he’s underwater. To me, this is setting Hook up for his big moment by re-proposing the right way and owning up to everything in the way he should have originally. And it wouldn’t shock me if something happened on this adventure with Jasmine, Aladdin, Ariel and company that really gets through to Hook. But I guess we shall see.
2) Hook breaking the Snowing curse would have as much emotional weight as one of Robin’s feathers. He might be friendly with the couple nowadays but it’s nowhere near as potent as having Emma break it, or even Regina break it. It’s a much more powerful statement if their daughter breaks the curse or their greatest enemy who’s darker half was responsible for this. It gives Hook a moment of glory and robs the story, IMO.
And again, I don’t think he’s going to break it. But perhaps he figures out how to break it and someone else actually does it. And with the random scene Hook had with Snow this week (which I enjoyed), and the whole episode Hook had with Charming and getting his blessing, it seems they are trying to quickly develop Hook’s relationship with Emma’s parents……it just seems like they are setting up something. But I’ve been wrong before.
No mention of Agrabah or Jafar? Jafar really has taken a backseat. Guy is in the first scene of the season, is built up like we are getting a Savior mythology this season, and then nothing so far. How on Earth is Jasmine and Aladdin on the sub? Did Gideon send Hook and company to Agrabah? Where does Ariel fit into this? All sorts of confused.
Lana did kill that scene as both Regina and the EQ. And the conclusion to that story–self love and forgiveness–was really potent to Regina’s entire arc. Still not sure I liked the ultimate end of EQ and RH because I think the EQ needs to find peace for a bit longer than a hot second.
This is exactly how I felt.
