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With game of silence getting the ax, it certainly opens up the door for Neal, if the writers wanted to go that way. Maybe bring back Zeus. Who knows. I personally would love to see Neal. But I just don’t know how they could incorporate him back on the show on a more regular basis.
She needs space, room to breathe, and room to contemplate her actions without it being interrupted by her romantic liaisons.
I agree. And hopefully in season 6, after a season that focused too heavily on her romance with Hook, they give her time to breathe and do things and say things that are unrelated to Hook. But in that instance when he returned, that’s how any other person would have reacted. But once the dust settles, I’m hoping that is when we get what everyone seems to be hoping from Emma.
If that was what they were going for then they failed miserably. Emma doesn’t bat an eyelid or feel any immense guilt once Hook is back because she got what she wanted (though this seems to be a family trait).
If you re-watch the scene, and you still feel that Emma shows no remorse, or as you say, doesn’t even bat an eyelid, well then we just aren’t going to agree. I think she clearly does at the end of the scene. She no longer has the expression of happiness and joy and surprise on her face. It turns to sorrow and I think it’s clear as day.
And it seems you have backed off from the whole sex in the graveyard opinion so I won’t even bother to rebuttal that.
Hook coming back was inevitable, nobody actually thought he was going to stay dead. But there is such a thing as time and place. How would you feel if the love of your life was dead and your best friend was making out with her boyfriend at his funeral? Maybe they’d gone on a sailing trip together, the boat sunk, both were missing. Your lover’s body was found whilst your best friend’s boyfriend was missing and presumed dead. Only he reappears alive and well at your lover’s funeral, whose coffin isn’t even in the ground yet, then your best friend and him start making out. Would you really honestly consider that acceptable? Even if it was your best friend’s idea to send your lover on that sailing trip in the first place?
Hook coming back was inevitable, nobody actually thought he was going to stay dead. But there is such a thing as time and place. How would you feel if the love of your life was dead and your best friend was making out with her boyfriend at his funeral? Maybe they’d gone on a sailing trip together, the boat sunk, both were missing. Your lover’s body was found whilst your best friend’s boyfriend was missing and presumed dead. Only he reappears alive and well at your lover’s funeral, whose coffin isn’t even in the ground yet, then your best friend and him start making out. Would you really honestly consider that acceptable? Even if it was your best friend’s idea to send your lover on that sailing trip in the first place?
I’m just not sure what you want Emma to do. If you want to crap on the writers for having Hook pop up in the graveyard directly after the funeral, then fine. But there was absolutely nothing wrong with Emma’s actions as a character in my mind. Anyone would have been so surprised and elated to see him come back out of thin air, especially given the emotional state she was in from the funeral. As Slurpeez pointed out, it also kind of makes sense that Hook reappeared in the graveyard because that’s where he was buried. But again, if you want to criticize the timing, fair enough.
It’s not that she forgot about Robin. It’s that she never begins to really acknowledge, in text, out loud, for anything longer than a fraction of a second after Snow leaves her that her actions have consequences.
When Hook says, “I’m so happy you’re alright.” Emma responds with a distraught look and says, “Not all of us are.” They both turn around and stare at Robin’s coffin and Emma clearly still has a sorrowful look on her face. To me, the funeral scene plus the end of this scene, even after seeing the alleged love of her life return, shows she still acknowledges and mourns Robin’s death. Now it’s true, when all is said and done, Emma had zero consequences for her actions as far as it directly affecting her. I mean, Robin’s death is affecting her, but it’s Regina who takes the hit. So yes, she doesn’t really suffer any consequences, but I think she acknowledges them way more than in these two scenes than everyone on here is giving her credit for.
Okay, well then there’s really no point in us continuing this at all. If you’re just going to look at it your way (as is your right) then there’s no point in me trying to explain why some people have issue from a non angry-shipper, non-pro Robin Hood stance. And just to point out, again, I don’t even care that Hook came back. He can come back. That’s fine. I’ll even acknowledge that he did some nice heroic things in the Underworld during the episode in question. I have issue with what the scene says.
I actually appreciate your take more because I understand you are coming from a more neutral place on this. But other than the fact that Hook came back too close to the timing of Robin’s funeral, what was Emma supposed to do. I guess I would be more understanding of the criticism of the writers for the timing of the scenes in question, but it’s the criticism of Emma that I do not understand. I would love to know how everyone else would have reacted if their love just reappeared like that after you thought you lost him. Regardless of whether Robin’s body is still above ground, what is she supposed to do? “Oh I’m sorry but I can’t celebrate your return for another 10 minutes because I’m still grieving my mistakes that led to Robin’s death.”
2. It was light when Hook reappeared yet dark when Emma walked into the diner. What the hell were CS doing that took that long? I think CS did more than just kiss and Robin’s coffin was the only flat surface that wouldn’t be wet from the rain. Considering how selfish and self-absorbed Emma has been lately, it wouldn’t surprise me if she and Hook had sex on Robin’s coffin.
This is the type of over-blowing I was talking about.
And have you guys watched the scene again? Robin’s coffin is never showed once Emma runs in and embraces Hook. All their kisses, and no coffin in the background. At the end of the scene, they show the coffin in the background, but that’s so Emma and Hook can turn around, and have Emma acknowledge what the backfire was here and that not every one made it. I think there was still some emotional understanding there, especially as they continue to embrace each other in the final seconds, realizing how lucky there are as they continue to stare at Robin’s coffin. You guys are acting like Hook showed up, and Emma completely forgot about Robin and where she was in the cemetery, and the grief she was dealing with right before Hook showed up. When in fact, that’s not what happened at all.
And as far as the shot itself goes, I think the writers were really trying to hammer home the concept of one life was lost, one was saved. And it was still her fault. And I think they absolutely accomplished that with Snow and Emma’s conversation at the funeral, and then when Emma shows Hook what the consequence was for her actions to bring him back. To me, anyone who found a huge problem with this scene, is bitter about Hook returning period. It’s hard for me not to think that way, especially after the quote above. And the writers are right. Some people loved it, and some hated it. You can’t please everyone. What do you want them to say? Sheesh.
Am I the only one who thought the kiss was fine? Hadn’t everyone already left the funeral by the time Hook showed up? The funeral was over I thought. I mean it happened rather quickly after, but it’s not like they were still putting roses on the coffin when Hook showed up and kissed Emma. I feel like fans are blowing that out of proportion.
Probably the wrong thread to post this in, but I just saw this and wasn’t sure if it was ever posted on here. It was an EW hot seat right before Last Rites I believe.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/06/once-upon-time-hot-seat-season-5-spoilers
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Will we ever see Henry’s younger years prior to the book?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />HOROWITZ: Can’t say.
– That would be fun to see.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Could Henry still be Rumple’s undoing?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />KITSIS: Can’t say.
– Have always theorized that Henry will still be Rumple’s undoing. I guess that’s still on the table.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Does Rumple have the capacity to care more about his unborn child than his power?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />KITSIS: That is the question of next season.
– As if this is something new. It seems every season Rumple fights whether he wants the power more or the love of his family.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Will the sleeping curse have any adverse effects on Belle or her baby?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />KITSIS: Can’t say.
– It would be nice if they actually addressed the red room again.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Any chance to meet Rumple’s mother?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />HOROWITZ: We should.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>KITSIS: We would like to.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>HOROWITZ: It would be next season.
– Would really love this. At the very least it seems they have something in mind. But who knows with these two.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Will we get to see what happened to Lily and Maleficent and who Lily’s dad is?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />HOROWITZ: Next season. Oh yeah, we’ll have plans. You’ll see, hopefully they’ll be great.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>KITSIS: I’ll say this, we hear the fans. We know what stories you feel like we’ve dropped, and we’ve got an episode for you next year.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>HOROWITZ: We’ve got some plans to try to address many of those things next season.
– Confirmation that Maleficent and Lily are returning?
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Will we ever see Aladdin or Jasmine on the show?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />KITSIS: Oooh.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>HOROWITZ: Can’t say.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;” /><strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>KITSIS: Can’t say.
– Once again, they know what the fans want. I would be really shocked if they didn’t have a plan to incorporate these two somehow.
<strong style=”box-sizing: border-box; color: #000000; font-family: proxima-nova, sans-serif; line-height: 25.6px;”>Are we going to see what happened with Will and Anastasia someday?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box;” />KITSIS: Someday! Maybe right around when we see Lily and Maleficent.
– To me this is very interesting. Not only did they not flat out say no, but they also linked them to Lily and Maleficent. I find that quite interesting.
So there is some sort of monsters or demons attacking them. That is much less interesting because there is rarely good motivation behind a monster. It is usually they just can’t help it. It is there nature. Which is boring.
They could still do it well. There were monsters in Lost and the intrigue and suspense were just fine. And it created a deeper mythology. I reserve judgement until I see it.
