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Evidence is incredibly strong that Robin *is* dying. What is no longer so clear–because of the show’s plot mechanics, the themes of the show, lack of filming spoilers for S6, and Sean’s own carefully chosen words–is whether or not Robin stays dead.
Sorry this was posted right before I posted. This was exactly my point haha.
[adrotate group="5"]After all, the only comebacks they have have is returning in flashbacks or spirits.
And this just isn’t true. As I said before, they have killed off characters or led us to believe they killed off characters, only to tell us they weren’t actually dead or that they brought them back to life somehow with magic. Blue Fairy was killed by the shadow in the same way that Greg Mendell was killed. And yet, when the shadow is defeated, that somehow revives Blue out of her coffin. Pinocchio was turned to wood. And then was magically brought back to life. Zelena was killed by Rumple with his own dagger. She turned to dust. And yet somehow was able to open the portal, become alive in the past, take Marian’s form, and then come back as Zelena. Charming was dead in the water, but they created a loophole no one had heard of before by having Snow share a heart which was utterly ridiculous. They also led us to believe Archie was killed by Cora (as shown through Pongo’s eyes) when in fact he was just being held captive on Hook’s ship. And…….I haven’t even addressed the fact that they will inevitably be saving Hook from death by traveling to the UW.
So all of the above situations could apply to whoever dies here. Maybe he isn’t actually dead like with Archie. Maybe he can be saved with some sort of magic macguffin like Charming. Maybe whatever killed him can be reversed like with Pinocchio. Maybe if whoever killed them was killed themselves, that would bring them back to life like Blue Fairy. Or maybe they just won’t explain it and he’ll magically be alive even after taking a dagger to the face like Zelena. Or perhaps they can save him the same way they will inevitably save Hook. There are so many scenarios that could happen and have happened throughout the show to prove that dead is not always dead. To say that the only comebacks they have are from flashbacks or ghosts is just not accurate.
But also you have to remember that Sean is going to say whatever it takes to not give away anything. If he dies, he’s certainly not going to say that he won’t be sticking around. And because scenes were filmed out of order, it’s hard to tell when certain scenes take place. And correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Regina wearing something that insinuated she was the biggest griever for whoever the funeral was for? And wasn’t she visibly the most upset? Wouldn’t that alone point to Robin being the one? And wasn’t Roland spotted going through the door without his father? I mean, there are scenes where it’s odd that Robin isn’t there. It feels more relevant that Robin isn’t there with a scene with his son than it is that he is there with a scene with Merida. I mean don’t get me wrong, a major death would be crazy!!!! But there is just such damning evidence against Robin and we’ve heard no rumors of anyone else. And this show hasn’t generally been good about keeping big things like this a secret, with the only exception of Elsa coming to the show. I’m just curious why you are so intent on proving it isn’t Robin. Is he like a favorite of yours or something?
Merlin was not a major character. They did so had the stones (though too strong a word) to kill major characters. Neal and Graham were major and big characters and they were killed off. They count as well. You know that. And there is no way they will ever repeat a comeback to live action again. After all, the only comebacks they have have is returning in flashbacks or spirits.
Well right, Merlin wasn’t a major character so to speak. And Graham wasn’t really either. They were big for the story at the time, but not major players in the grand scheme of things. Which is why, other than Neal, give me one major character they have killed off. They haven’t been able to, or simply don’t want to. Which is why, I do not think the death will be any bigger than Robin. But as far as returning goes, just based on some of the things Sean Maguire has said recently, makes it seem like he’s not dying. But I don’t think that’s the case since all signs point to him. But that’s why it opens up the possibility of bringing him back somehow.
They already did kill two big ones. Neal and Graham. Remember?
This show hasn’t had the stones to kill off a major character (Rumple, Snow, Charming, Belle, Regina, etc.) since Neal. Neal was huge but since then, nothing. And I’m not counting villains of the arc deaths like Cruella and Ingrid and Pan. I just don’t see them killing any of the major ones. Robin is big because it affects Regina. If Regina wasn’t dating him, he’d be useless. To me, Robin makes the most sense from what we have seen and heard from rumors. But as RG put it, whoever dies could come back because of the lack of stones this show truly has had in the past with characters coming back (Blue Fairy, Pinocchio, Zelena, Charming when Snow somehow shared a heart with him, Archie, inevitably Hook, and probably a few more I can’t think of right now). Although you are right, they did kill Graham which was big when it was done, they did kill Neal, and they did kill Merlin so anything is possible. I just have lost faith in them being able to stomach killing a major player until we finally reach the end of the show. And we are not there yet so I think Robin makes the most sense.
Oh and yes the whole relationship between Harvey and Gordon has finally been good to watch as of late. More of that.
I agree with literally everything you said. They don’t stick to one villain for long enough. I thought The Ogre should have gotten more time last year and now I really hope Nygma gets out of prison because he is just awesome in so many ways. Why can’t we have Nygma and Jerome and The Ogre back? Sad.
I will say I thought it was odd they kept the poison too, but then IU remembered that they were planning on using it on Oswald after some time had passed. Or at least that’s what the mother said to her two kids when she allowed Oswald to stay as their slave. Why she kept the poison in such an easily accessible place, well that might be PLOT. And I agree, the dialogue was clunky. We noticed the hair. We noticed the expressions. We noticed the mannerisms. You don’t have to point them out writers! But overall, I really liked this episode, although I’m bummed that Gordon already figured out about Ms. Kringle and Nygma has already been had.
Side note….loved how Nygma, instead of just giving up and dropping his weapon, or continuing to try and fire and take out as many people as possible in the woods when the jig was up, he actually tried to trudge through the snow and run away haha. I just thought that was a very Riddler thing to do.
Let’s say it isn’t Robin. has it been confirmed that someone will bite the dust? If so, isn’t it more alarming that it could be someone else potentially more important. Could they be covering up an even bigger death? See I just don’t think the writers are ready to kill off any of the big ones. Robin is big enough, but also easily performed considering how little they use him. He looks like he has an episode coming up as well. That usually spells danger for characters who don’t get them too often.
