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I cannot tell you how over Barnes I am. Give me Tetch again. Again, I cannot believe how much the show is ripping off Batman Begins right now.
[adrotate group="5"]YES! But knowing this show, Poppins is an evil witch who drugs children into seeing cartoon critters and steals their life force because she lost her own children centuries ago, and Yzma is Kuzco’s long lost sister who wants to turn him into a llama to get her rightful throne back, or something. I am here for it!
Is it bad that I actually would be down for all of this? Lol. I think Mary Poppins as a villain could be really cool. Similar to Peter Pan. They could use the paintings in the streets as a way of jumping in and out of realms…. And Yzma just has so much personalty. You could really do a lot with her. I’m sick of bland characters like Aladdin and Jasmine. Yes, they were in a great Disney movie and had personalities but they just did not translate into tv very well at all. Yzma has so much spunk and character I feel like it could be just as successful as Cruella was.
IMO SF = TL ship discussion should stay in the SF shipping thread (or at least out of the CS ship forum). It is rude & obnoxious to expect CSers that follow cannon to entertain SF= TL “discussion” in their own ship’s forum.
So, while I appreciate the renewed interest in this thread, this I can’t stand. This thread was dead on here for three seasons. I decided to revive it to “bring some balance” to this forum which I felt had leaned far too heavily on the SF side of things and the Hook bashing was getting ridiculous. That being said, I started posting in this thread again with the idea that everyone would be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what ship they like. This is still a safe haven for CS fans.
I was the one who revived this thread and I think everyone’s opinion is important. It gives the show a less biased perspective. And quite frankly, to say other people who want to bring up the SF true love discussion as it pertains to the CS true love discussion don’t belong here and that it is rude and obnoxious, is in and of itself, RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS. Who are you the thread police? Last time I checked it was an open thread and anyone could post in it as long as it was relevant to the thread’s topic. This topic is CS. The discussion shifted toward whether CS really are officially true love and why didn’t share TLK. That set up a compare and contrast debate between the true love discussion between Emma and Neal and whether it was just first love. If you decide you want to react harshly to someone who believes differently than you about a friking tv show, well then go right ahead. But now you are the one being rude and obnoxious.
I posted in this thread again to encourage not only CS fans to start posting again, but also to invite SF fans to chime in with how they feel as well. The fact this cannot be done cordially is sad, childish, and pathetic. The people in the SF thread on these forums always encourage CS fans to post in their thread, as long as it wasn’t malicious. I don’t know why a CS fan would want to post in that thread bc the debate is so incredibly biased and one-sided but such is a ship thread in general. I don’t know why we cannot do the same in this thread. Stop acting like little babies. I encourage the SF fans to continue posting in here going forward as long as it’s relevant, and I’m sorry there has been so much hostility since reviving this thread.
Now as far as Neal and Emma go, I do think it’s possible that one person can love someone else but the other doesn’t love them. However, with true love, I feel like you can’t even obtain true love unless the feeling of love is mutual right?
And although A&E make it seem like they planned CS right from the beginning, are you guys really that delusional that you believe them? And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
Exploring dropped storylines for several recurring characters. What happened to Will and Anastasia? Who is Lily’s father? Who is the Dragon’s daughter? Will Mulan ever get her happy ending? What about Aurora and Phillip? What have Ruby and Dorothy been up to? The writers had considered doing an episode about a bunch of these this past Season, but they couldn’t fit it in with all of the other stories they were focusing on. However, with a truncated cast and the previous main narrative already resolved, this seems like a prime opportunity to finally tie up some of those stories. Personally, this was always one of the things that would help justify Season 7 for me.
This would be a fun episode that they definitely could fit in this next season.
Introducing more stories and Disney films. They’re running out of animated Disney movies to pull from that could work, but off the top of my head I guess I’ll suggest The Princess and the Frog, Moana, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Tarzan, and Atlantis. The big headscratchers would be the animal movies like The Jungle Book and The Lion King, but maybe they’d find a way around them. There are also more classic literature they could pull from, like they did for the Land of Untold Stories subplot. I know some of this could be seen as a negative, but it’s still a valid positive for some.
Mary Poppins! YZMA! Man do I want Yzma.
Everyone is the darkest thing ever and then they just end up being some sad pathetic person who is easily defeated.
This is a good point though. Every villain says they are the darkest most powerful thing since the RMV but then they are sort of almost always easily defeated. And to boot, they end up being kinda lame bc every villain on the show is sort of a decent person way down underneath. They like redeeming their villains and they like having villains with sympathetic stories. They do this bc their biggest theme (evil isn’t born, it’s made) is probably the only theme they have kept consistent on this show. Which is fine don’t get me wrong. But as a result, they can’t really give us someone who is all powerful and just rotten to the core right from the start to really sink our teeth into. The closest we got was Cruella and she was amazing because of it.
I’m hoping that when they say “the darkness” for season 7, they actually mean the source of the darkness. Sure, Nimue was the first real dark one, but even she made a bad choice and that resulted in the first DO. But can’t we have the actual source of darkness. The actual source of darkness has to be born that way right? Can’t they make an exception? I thought the Black Fairy was going to be this, but I think when they found out they were likely getting renewed, they changed it, and whoever is the darkness for season 7, actually is the original source of the all the dark magic. And if that happens, maybe we will actually get a villain that justifies all their tough talk about being the most evil of all time.
The show stated their love was also TRUE LOVE!
Other than the keychain, am I missing another time the show actually stated they were true love, other than something an irrelevant character like Belle said?
Yes, they were magical forces but they both were not indicative of True Love between Hook and Emma.
Isn’t the keychain surviving the curse also a magical force though? How is it that you can say there were magical forces that give the impression of true love between Hook and Emma but that you do not think they are indicative of actual true love but then say the keychain surviving the curse IS indicative of Neal and Emma’s true love? Hmmm? Can’t they both be indicative of true love?
I dont think BF casted a spell on him to age him, as we see him as a baby, a young child, and then an adult. Plus there was his little friend who also grew up. So it seems as if time just works differently there (like that episode of angel where his son was stolen and taken into some hell dimension, and then came back all grown because time moved faster there.)
Right but what I’m saying is, what if BF was the one who altered the time in the dark realm to speed children’s lives up so she can put them to work to collect the dust in the mines? If she was the one who that to the realm, then it’s her direct doing that ages up Gideon when she brings him there. And therefore once she dies, I can potentially understand what she “did” to Gideon would be undone.
I see no problem with taking Emma at her word. I simply think that we should then take her at her word consistently. During the wedding, she states that she is experiencing something with Hook that is qualitatively different from her previous experiences, and labels that true love. Sure, why not? In fact, I should hope that her feelings for Neal, for her parents, for Henry and for every other important person in her life are each particular and unique forms of love — of course they are, why wouldn’t they be? And all are equally true, lowercase t. But as far as TL as a magical force is concerned (rather than an emotion/feeling/state or what have you) I am simply saying that Emma shares it with Henry, and that’s confirmed beyond doubt. In other words, both things can be true: Emma’s statement of her experience can be an accurate reflection of her experience, AND she does in fact share TL with other people. I don’t necessarily see a contradiction here.
Yup, I agree with all of this.
It’s fair to say that you can have multiple true loves. For me, it was Neal (although she never explicitly said the words true love, actions speak louder than words- also her first love), Henry, and then finally Hook. I know Emma says that she had never experienced true love before at her wedding…and that is rather damning. So all you SF fans, how do you explain that? Bc while it was obvious they both loved each other, not only was there never a moment where they SF used TLK for anything, but then Emma acknowledges in the show that she did not have true love before Hook. So….while I personally think it was true love, can we really not take Emma at her word here? I mean, that’s basically the writers telling everybody that what Emma and Hook have is more powerful. I’m not saying I necessarily agree with it, but how can you view it any other way?
