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Crumb! IMDB is showing Game of Silence as a TV movie. I’ve just been told it’s a series. Anxious to see it but it still won’t stop me from fighting to bring MRJ back to OUAT.
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I agree that it may not be the best fit, but with creative writing, they certainly can make it fit.
I just think this is a golden opportunity to do and this opportunity may never come around again.
While I will always be #SwanFire at heart, I am first and always #NealFire.
I for one, am tired of accepting his death and I think it’s time for #NealFire fans to fight back. We aren’t asking for our ship; we are merely asking that they bring him back as the hero with a moral compass that we all have grown to love and admire. If that means he’s on a path to save & redeem a villain who was responsible for his demise, than so be it. Actually, it really is quite fitting considering that he believed in the best of even the darkest person.
I’m fighting for him in S5. Timing couldn’t be better as his show is now cancelled. I say let’s flood the FB boards and twitter with the hashtag #WickedFire and see if we can’t get the writers to get off their duffs and do something creative for the #NealFire fans. I’m not going down without a fight. I’m mad as heck and I’m not going to take it anymore!
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Proposition (can you tell I’m going into Camelot mode? 😉 )
Now, I get that Neal is gone and they don’t seem interested in ever bringing him back, especially considering their preference for the other ship. But here are a few things I’ve mulled over in my mind.
What if they were to bring Neal back? What if Neal was a critical part of Zelena’s redemption storyline? What if Neal’s forgiveness allowed her to move on?
Both suffered the deep emotional scars of abandonment by their parents. Both were swept away by vortexes. Both only sought to be loved, accepted and by their families.
Now Neal always chose right from wrong, despite the circumstances. We can’t really fault him for making the one wrong chose when bringing Rumple back as all he really wanted to do was get back to Emma & Henry.
Zelena on the other, chose wrong from right.
Neal now having been in a position of understanding how easy it is to go down that slippery slope would be able to see & understand how Zelena’s pain led her to make those wrong choices.
So who better to help her and guide her along as she seeks redemption. Neal of course!
Now before everyone gets on me about being unrealistic, I know it’s “crack” wishful thinking out loud, but I still wanted to share those thoughts with you.
If Neal came back in this capacity, the show wouldn’t have the issueof fans being angry because it upset a particular community of shippers.
If Neal came back in this capacity, NealFire fans would rejoice and many who left after they killed him off, would return.
In my mind, Neal & Zelena aka #WickedFire make great sense and is a fantastic storyline to explore. Imagine the possibilities?
I will never EVER give up on Neal coming back and because of this, I am going to ship the heck out of #WickedFire over on facebook & twitter.
If the SQ fandom has taught us anything, it’s that you never give up; you get yourself out there; and you make yourself visible.
Giving them options to bring him back where it doesn’t affect their canon ship isn’t a bad thing. Considering all the negative feedback they are getting over Zelena coming back, what better way to turn this around than bring a beloved character into the mixture. Considering that a lot of hate is coming from the OQ camp towards Zelena, bring in Neal would eliminate a lot of that.
If they can find loopholes for others, like this “essence of being” nonsense, surely they can for Neal.
Again, this is my crackfull, wishfull thinking. But I do know this for a fact. If fans don’t try something, the assurance the Neal will never be back is absolute. So, what have we left to lose? Why not try to get out our boy back?
As I said earlier on, I’m going to be shipping the hashtag #WickedFire on every tweet to Adam, Bex, OUAT, ABC and posting the heck out of it on facebook. Hoping it will catch on with everyone who loves Neal and wants our boy back.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
With the evidence presented by The Apprentice, at the very end of the finale, I do concede that they have no intention of ever bringing NealFire back.
Neal dying in the real world will not allow magic to bring him back. However (ya, I’m opening up another can of worms here 😉 ), Neal’s fate in regards to his death was set in the EF by bringing back Rumple from the dead. So, how does that work into the real world? I see too many inconsistencies with all of this story telling. Contradiction, after contridiction. Sigh…..
Anyway, just wanted to be the first to admit that my theory was wrong. On to other theories now. 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Favourites:
The two iconic LOST scenes. The first one when The Apprentice presents Isaac with quills and says, “Pick one” and tells him this is a test. Goes back to when Richard Albert, in a flashback, goes and visits the child, John Locke, and asked him to select items that belonged to him in the future. This was a test to see if Locke was ready.
The second one was when they were playing Three Dog Night’s Samballa. This was a nod to the scene when Hurley got the Dharma Initiative work van running and they all took a spin, up and down the valley, while playing Samballa.
Loved that Isaac identified Henry as the “constant” that he couldn’t be written into the story because his story didn’t originate in the EF or book.
Thought it was great how they nodded to Disney as being the author who had just died.
Really enjoyed Adam writing/mirroring himself in the story by having Isaac say, at his book signing, “No spoilers.” Laughed out loud over that one.
As well, we all knew The Sorcerer is Merlin. Looking forward to seeing Camelot come S5. On a side note, I’m all for Michael Keaton guest starring as Merlin. 🙂
Least favourite moments:
Gosh, where do I begin? I can live with the fact that my theory is dead. I can deal with the evidence, from tonight, that the original quill & ink, that wrote Rumple & Bae’s story, can only write a fake version of it and that nothing can bring back the dead for real. But then there are all the exemptions to this, like Zelena, Anastasia, ect. That Neal/Bae wasn’t important enough was a huge let down. I am thoroughly disappointed that they knew fans would be hoping that it could eventually bring back Neal/Bae, and they gave us that hope from the very opening of this finale by teasing us with what Isaac said to Rumple. That they would open with this, only to squash our hopes in the final few minutes, is unforgivable. It’s downright dastardly.
To add insult to injury, they actually had Henry tell Hook that Hook taught him how to sail the Jolly Rogers. Ya, that never happened. It was Neal who taught Henry how to sail that ship, back in S2x16, The Miller’s Daughter. For me, this was absolutely sacrilegious. They invented something that never happened and intentionally ignored what did. I really wanted to take a swing at A&E at that point.
If that all weren’t enough, they go and use the hat to change Rumple from the DO. Give me a break! As if Rumple wouldn’t have figured that out and spared us all the nonsense of getting Isaac to rewrite his story. Nor does Rumple deserve to have his HE. Even as a hero, he still caved into darkness and murdered someone. And what’s with the Dark force not returning to its original master, Rumple? Instead, it seeks out anyone BUT Rumple? Come on now!
I’ll get over it, as I’m still not giving up on the show and I’m not going to let that damper my spirit or stop me from having fun. However, for tonight, I’m going to vent.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
On a side note, I hope everyone is enjoying their Mother’s Day. 🙂
Really looking forward to tonight’s episode as it looks to be fun & exciting.
Also anticipating all the fun that can be had, here on the boards over the summer, speculating what S5 has in store for us.
Such a great show and despite some disappointments over the loss of characters, I’m still loving the stories A&E are telling us and grateful for the wonderful ride.
Cheers everyone! 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
As I’ve said before, for all we know, there may be another author out there who is writing Isaac’s story, everyone’s complete story.
There’s only one Author at a time, the “mantle” passes on when they die.
But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
Uh, no? The quill and ink can only change the past they’ve created. Thus, if Neal’s death wasn’t created with them, it can’t be changed. And again, emphasis on CREATED. Are you for some reason assuming that the whole Rumple and Bae story was caused by an Author’s meddling?
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said. Isaac is on record saying that a quill and ink can change any past it’s created. That makes it canon and canon makes for a good theory. I get that you and others don’t agree that we’ll see Neal/Bae again, but it doesn’t change the fact that Isaac just made that possibility canon. It’s an official loophole in a show that is all about loops.
You’re reading too much into it. The reason Isaac said it was so that A: They can undo the Heroes and Villains book. and/or B: They can swap the darkness back to Emma, which even the Sorcerer couldn’t do. And yeah it’s not a loophole because, once again, Neal’s death was not created by an Author.
1) You are assuming that the job gets passed on when a previous author DIES. No where has that been stated. All we know is that the job gets passed on from one author to another. How this is done, will be revealed tonight. Until then, speculating that it’s because the previous author has died, is only that, speculation. Furthermore, we still don’t know if there is only one book being written at same time or if there are several books, with several other authors, being written at the same time. Someone has been telling this story since Isaac was banished to the book, so to rule out that there is another author, telling everyone’s story, including Isaac’s & all present authors, again is only an assumption.
2) The quill and ink changes the past IT has created and not the past THEY’VE (authors) have created. Haven’t got a clue where you are getting THEY’VE from as Isaac clearly said IT, as in the quill & ink.
3) As for reading too much into this, I’m entitled to my opinions just as you are entitled to yours. I’ve repeatedly stated that the arguments for both sides are valid and I really don’t appreciate being told that mine aren’t valid. Had the exact same responses when I posted my theories about Frankie and again when I posted that Pan was Rumple’s father. Look how those theories played out. If Neal’s death hasn’t been recorded and if the original quill & ink that was used in creating his past can be found, there is no good reason not to assume that by changing his past, his future is changed as well.
As for the argument, in another post, that this would affect Henry, I’m speculating that it won’t. A&E used the name Heller for a reason. They used Joe Heller’s Catch 22 in LOST in regards to Desmond & Charlie. Desmond was also the “constant” – the one thing that nothing could change; the paradox. Henry is Desmond. He wasn’t born in the Enchanted Forest so no amount of rewriting will ever change his existence. Henry simply IS and will always BE. That’s the Catch 22.
My experience with A&E, from LOST and OUAT is that you need to pay close attention to their words. Just because you don’t see the big picture now does not mean that they aren’t setting something up for the future. Had Isaac said that no quill or ink can change the past it created, I’d be on board with Phee, Matt, RG & you. But he didn’t. He clearly stated that a quill and ink CAN change the past it created. Yes, OUAT is written for the average viewer who doesn’t want to look any deeper than watching a story on TV. However, it has also been written for those who like to look a little deeper and see all the hidden meanings. It’s all there for both audiences and trust me, A&E know they have a huge LOST Oncers fan base and do write for them, as was evident in S3A. Because A&E said S3A would be parallel to LOST S4, I was able to call Pan being Rumple’s father; call that we would see a Man of Faith vs Man of Science scene between Rumple & Emma; called that Rumple would separate from the group, just as Locke had on LOST; and also called that the group would split up forming new alliances.
We are now again heading into LOST parallels with the story becoming a Flashsideways. Thus the Heller/Catch 22/Desmond=Henry relevances.
This is a OUAT website. As such, fans should be encouraged to post their theories, not discouraged.
I’ve been open minded and have repeatedly stated that my theory could very well be discredited tonight and that others could be right. Why can’t others be just as open minded with mine, until proven otherwise? If Isaac said that a quill & ink CAN change the past it has created, then why not have some fun with this possibility this could present in the show’s future?
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However, what I don’t get is how something so important as Isaac saying that a quill & ink can, in fact, change the past it has created can be overlooked and discounted so easily.
Neal’s death was NOT created by the ink and pen, however. It had nothing to do with something being written in the book. And to our knowledge, Neal’s death was never recorded in the book, thus while Isaac’s statement is intriguing it has little to nothing to do with Neal. ETA: Furthermore at the time of Neal’s death the Author was trapped in the book, having only recorded up to the Curse. He was unable to influence or change anything as his role as author. And we know there can only be one at a time.
That’s just your personal opinion based on suppositions. There may be evidence to support it this coming Sunday, but until then, it’s only suppositions. As I’ve said before, for all we know, there may be another author out there who is writing Isaac’s story, everyone’s complete story. So we really don’t know what has or hasn’t been recorded.
But, if we go with your supposition that Neal’s death was never recorded in any book, that only supports that his death can be undone for the very reason that it was never recorded in the first place. Thus, the original quill & ink that created his past, most certainly could rewrite his outcome.
At this stage of the game, we should all know to read between the lines and to pick up key things that are said. Isaac is on record saying that a quill and ink can change any past it’s created. That makes it canon and canon makes for a good theory.
I get that you and others don’t agree that we’ll see Neal/Bae again, but it doesn’t change the fact that Isaac just made that possibility canon. It’s an official loophole in a show that is all about loops.
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I love that you get me Slurpeez and see where I’m coming from with this. 🙂 Great post BTW. 🙂
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But….Patrick Fishler seems to be under the impression that The Author can write people back alive, and I’d have to agree….if he can write people out, surely he can write them in. Perhaps he was just agreeing with Rumple that he couldn’t just so he wouldn’t agitate Rumple.
The Author had a history with Cruella. Do you think this had any effect on him? Fischler: Absolutely. I think, sort of her mom telling him to get out there and live life and then he took a chance on Cruella, and their relationship. I think being betrayed by her gave him a real push to come out of his shell a little bit. Whether that’s good or bad. I think it absolutely had a huge effect on him. I think he really, really cared about her. And still in my mind, I couldn’t have loved working with Victoria [Smurfit] more. She is a complete doll, and so amazingly talented. The two of them have to have a spin-off or something. Perhaps, he can write Cruella back in! Fischler: Exactly. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-interview-pat-56406.aspx
Why….WHY AM I STILL MOURNING AUTHELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw what Adam and Eddy wrote….this is how Authella ends in my head. “Cries uncontrollably!” 
Sorry if I got off topic….back to Sneak Peek talk!^^^ All of this! 🙂
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Screw what Adam and Eddy wrote….this is how Authella ends in my head. “Cries uncontrollably!” 
Sorry if I got off topic….back to Sneak Peek talk!