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PHEE!!!! Brilliant! Loving your theory! Now we’re cooking! 🙂
Considering that Pat Walsh(e) played the head of the Winged Monkeys (WM) in the ’39 movie, I have to wonder if Gorham, playing Walsh, isn’t the WM who was dipping his finger into an open potion bottle offered up by WW.
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TheGoldenKey wrote: Glad he was called on it after his response “who said that’s what happened?” Um, you did Adam???
I think Adam is thinking of 3×11, not pre-Manhattan. Hence the “you’ll see why it wasn’t Neal at Emma’s door” #nospoilers.
I hoping that’s the case. We SF fans don’t forget a thing. LOL! I’ve used that info in defending Neal, on other boards, countless times. Hope Adam responds and clarifies. 🙂
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Emily Margaret @Em_Margaret_ 14h @AdamHorowitzLA are we going to see Neal looking for Emma and learn why he stopped? Adam = @Em_Margaret_ who said that’s what happened? but why Neal isn’t the one who showed up at her door will be answered. #nospoilers!
@AdamHorowitzLA you said before in an interview that Neal went looking for Emma after she was in prison and we would learn why he stopped. I don’t remember this in an interview https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/434565584324284416 He did say that though I can’t remember if it was a tweet, interview or in a podcast. Simply having Neal tell Emma, while sitting in that NY bar, that he wanted to but was afraid she wouldn’t forgive him doesn’t equate to “Neal went looking”. Glad he was called on it after his response “who said that’s what happened?” Um, you did Adam???
I’m starting to have a difficult time trusting what Adam or Eddy have to say. 🙁
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TheGoldenKey wrote: Because of this, I believe that Gorham is someone on a spiritual path or has completed his spiritual path and is trying to set things in all worlds right. For me that can either mean the Wizard of Oz or Merlin. Preferable the former or maybe he’s a culmination of both. He’s showing up when it’s important to be showing up and providing guidance to help “goodness” along to a win. He’s Emma’s spiritual angel without her knowing it.
So he’s like August but one who knows how to stay selfless, brave and true.
TheGoldenKey wrote: I also believe that my original post about Patrick Walsh(e) was another clue pointing us to Gorham being the Wizard of Oz as I stated earlier that Pat Walsh(e) played the head Winged Monkey, in the 1939 film, The Wizard of Oz. They seem to be screaming out to us that he’s from OZ and he’s the Wizard. I think they are portraying Gorham as a younger version of The Wizard in the movie The Witches of Oz. Christopher Lloyd played that part and he kept showing up in New York City, helping Dorothy along, helping her remember who she was and helping her in making the right connections and decisions. Again, representation of a wizard who is good and kind and honest. He knows that many worlds need to be set be right and he’s helping/pushing the show along.
I just read over a synopsis of the Witches of Oz. *whoa* That does have some similarities. The only problem I have with Gorham being the Wizard is that I think the Wizard of Oz is WWW’s father (Cora being her mother because at this point I’m going to be more surprised if WickedSisters isn’t true than if it is…) and Gorham is awfully young.
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YES! Like August! Great perspective RG!!!! Makes perfect sense and loving how you see that! Maybe it was Gorham/Wiz who gave August the info about Neal? Maybe he’s also connected with Blue?
I also wondered if the Wiz could be WW’s father. When K&H were asked about WW being Elphaba they said she’s not Elphaba and they aren’t doing Wicked. So that sort of killed that theory for me. I also am on board with Wicked Regals’ Wicked Sisters theory. Makes perfect sense. As for Gorham being awfully young, no one ever grows old in OZ. It’s just like NL in that aspect. So, I have no problem with that. Also, if on the off chance he is a combination of the Wiz and Merlin, Merline regressed in age. So again, a young Wizard would make sense.
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Here is some more research about a man named Townsend Walsh, who was a theatrical press agent and business manager who promoted L. Frank Baum’s story “The Wzard of Oz” in the New York theater from 1902-1906:
Throughout his life, Townsend Walsh was involved with the American theatre in a variety of capacities–press agent, business manager, drama critic, playwright, collector, theatre and circus historian and sometime actor. Born in Albany, New York in 1872, to Augustus Henry and Laura Spencer Walsh, Townsend Walsh graduated from the Albany Academy in 1891 and from Harvard University in 1895. While at Harvard, he apparently took George Pierce Baker’s playwriting course, served on the editorial staff of the Harvard Advocate,and was a commencement speaker for his class. In 1897 Walsh’s play, The Boys of Kilkenny,was produced at the Star Theatre in New York. The next year, 1898, Walsh began work as advance press representative for Mrs. Minnie Maddern Fiske in the production Love Finds A Way, followed by Tess of the D’Ubervilles and Becky Sharpe. This was the beginning of a long and fruitful career as an advance press agent in the theatre. After his work with Mrs. Fiske, Walsh worked for Fred Hamlin of the Grand Opera House with Hamlin’s touring productions of Babes in Toyland, and the Wizard of Oz between 1902 and 1906. (Source)
Fantastic! Here’s another Walsh connection that leads us back to OZ. I like this Slurpeez! 🙂 We all know how K&H love their literary, theatrical, film and music nods. 🙂
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Carry on Wayward Son was written by 70’s band member Kerry Livgren. In fact, it was Livgren who was responsible for putting Kansas on the charts with hits like that and Dust in the Wing. Kerry left the band shortly after having became a devoted Christians. His lyrics kept reflecting his spiritual views and caused fighting & tension among the other band members. If any of you read my short story about having seen them perform, you’d understand that’s why a few founding members don’t look on these songs with any warmth or appreciation. Bad way of thinking in my mind.
Kerry was on a spiritual search when he wrote the song. That’s what the song is all about. What is life & where/who is God? It’s also a continuation from another song “The Pinnacle” off their previous album. One important line from The Pinnacle is: I stood where no man goes, above the din I rose. Din means loud/confusion/inharmonious. So, in Carry On Wayward, when they sing “Once I rose above the noise and confusion” Livgren is referring to The Pinnacle.
Because of this, I believe that Gorham is someone on a spiritual path or has completed his spiritual path and is trying to set things right in all worlds affected by The Curse. For me that can either mean the Wizard of Oz or Merlin. Preferable the former or maybe he’s a combination of both. He’s showing up when it’s important to be showing up and providing guidance to help “goodness” along to a win. He’s Emma’s spiritual angel without her knowing it.
I also believe that my original post about Patrick Walsh(e) was another clue pointing us to Gorham being the Wizard of Oz as I stated earlier that Pat Walsh(e) played the head Winged Monkey, in the 1939 film, The Wizard of Oz. They seem to be screaming out to us that he’s from OZ and he’s The Wizard.
I think they are portraying Gorham as a younger version of The Wizard, played by Christopher Lloyd, in the movie, The Witches of Oz. Lloyd played that part and he kept showing up in New York City, helping Dorothy along, helping her remember who she was and helping her in making the right connections and decisions. Again, representation of a wizard who is good and kind and honest. He knows that many worlds need to be set be right and he’s helping/pushing the game along.
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No one, other than Rumple, is safe despite the interviews. We all know how they can twist things to get our motors running. Until it’s cemented in stone, they are all equally at risk, excluding Rumple of course.
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Thank you Hook’s Girl! 🙂 I’m so excited I get to look after the Yellow Brick Road! Woohoo!! Now, regarding the other two items, do I have to wait and see them before I can add them to my signature?
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May I please be keeper of the Yellow Brick Road, The Horse of a Different Colour and Regina & WW’s baby blankets?
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Steve Walsh was the lead singer of the band “Kansas”. A&E get inspiration from music a lot of times. Maybe why they chose Dorothy to marry someone surnamed Walsh. His best known song is “Carry on My Wayward Son”, which reminds me of Neal. Since young Bae is suspected to be filming maybe there is a connection there.
Wow! Another great nod leading us to Oz. Good digging there 3princesses! 🙂
True story about Kansas. I used to love them! Saw them well over a decade ago. Robby Steinhardt, who does vocals and violin, is quite heavy with tons of hair. He had a white hand towel that he would pick up, in between songs, to wipe his face with. Now, a group of us were sitting front right, stage left, with him directly in front of us. Well, at one point, he grabbed his trustee towel, reached behind his pants, and dug in deep to wipe the sweat from the crack of his butt. HE THEN proceeded to wipe his face with ‘said’ towel. Well, didn’t we girls all simultaneously let out an “EEWWWWW” that I’m sure he heard. We didn’t mean too, but it was so gross!
Every time they sang a hit like Dust in the Wind or Carry on Wayward Son, Steinhardt (who did the intros) complained about having to do their commercial hits and said they only appreciated the fans that had been with them since the beginning. Well, I tell you, they lost a few fans that night, including me. Sadly for me, I can’t help but envision that filthy towel and Dust in the Wind, as beautiful as it is, has been ruined for me. Anyway, just a little tale I thought I’d share.
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