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The twist was interesting, and they did a great job pulling it off. I am intrigued when Adam and Eddy changed their plans for Malcolm, as they had written an alternate story showing Malcolm abandoning Rumple and getting killed that was cut from “Manhattan.” That also means they might have had different plans for Pan initially, but then decided add the twist. Maybe the original plan for Malcolm just wasn’t dramatic enough for them, so they changed it up. I did love all of the parallels between Malcolm/Rumple’s story to Rumple/Bae’s. You had the bean portal, both dads being frowned upon by society, both dads chosing something selfish over their own son, and both dads saying “I will find a way.” No wonder Rumple was so scared to go with Bae into the portal, as the last time resulted in losing his father. I will say Rumple was still overall a better dad to Bae, as he regretted letting go of him the second he left and he made it his mission in life to seek him out. Malcolm on the other hand intentionally let Rumple go because he viewed him as nothing but an anchor to his selfish dreams. Knowing this backstory really makes Rumple much more of a sympathetic character, and this episode really showed him being noble for the sake of saving his grandson.
I theorized that Malcolm was still beaten, almost to the point of death but somehow ended up in NL and used the healing waters. However, I really loved how they turned it around with the bean. As Josephine so brilliantly pointed out, brings a whole new perspective on why Rumple was so very frightened to follow Bae down that vortex. He was reliving his own nightmare. I do hope Neal finds out about this and forgives Rumple. Poor young Rumple to have such a miserable piece of dung as a father. To hear him cry out Papa! just as young Bae was heartwrenching. Such great casting as I could see a young Rumple resemble his own young son Bae and yet Malcolm shared the features of the evil imp Dark One. You could so hear Rumplestiltskin’s impish voice in Malcolm. Uncanny!
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I was totally against it and clinging to TeamBrothers, but they did it very well. My heart hurt when Young Rumple was sitting there giving the same speech that Bae gave to him. Just imagine what was going through his head as Bae was pleading with him to go through the beanhole. Is that why he hesitated…because he knew what had happened in his own childhood? Oh, so many feels.
Jo, what a great perspective on that scene from the return! Never even crossed my mind but makes absolute sense after you bringing it up. Great stuff! 🙂
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Thanks TheGoldenKey! Means a lot especially from you since you usually find these elaborate connections I never even dreamed of even for stories I’m familiar with! I’m usually so far behind on all these connections and I know many are confused/disappointed about the name so I looked into it and there were just too many coincidences for it not to be important somehow (especially given some of the potential routes we’re now thinking they’re going). It’s such an odd little story but it’s nice when they make connections like that and make it mean something. (Plus it makes us look into the original stories deeper and find all of them which is cool too!) I totally understand wanting a name like Adam (I was expecting it too since he’s Beast but since I really can’t imagine Belle calling him anything other than Rumple I don’t think it matters much) and really…Rumplestiltskin is what he is. He assumed the typical role in various other stories INCLUDING B&tB, Peter Pan, and even Cinderella, but he is still Rumplestiltskin and Belle has always called him Rumple so it’s fine the more I think of it that way. Belle never fell in love with someone called Beast. He was always her Rumple. So it makes sense that they’re using the long-kept-secret first name of Mr. Gold (if they’re still going that route) for his father’s name and giving us his backstory. It doesn’t MATTER what the Storybrooke cursed name is at this point because while they are both, they are still mostly the FTL part of their character deep down (but have SB memories sprinkled in which changes who they would have been somewhat but not at their core), and so it makes sense that the name connects to whoever they’re making HIM connect to – in this case, as long thought, it’s in connection to the story of Peter Pan which is why we’re finding out about it now. It’s looking more and more likely that Malcolm and Pan are connected and possibly one in the same. I’m still very curious as to why that might be and to see how it plays out. We need his motivations for doing such a strange thing and we need to find out what Rumple knows etc. But there are a LOT of coincidences in that strange little excerpt from one of Barrie’s Peter Pan stories for them not to have taken it from there to relate Rumple to Pan in some way. The more I think about it the more excited about it I am (still not a huge fan of the name but once it makes sense with connections then it becomes vastly more appealing!)
Gosh, thanks Kat. 🙂 That also means a lot to me coming from you. 🙂 I think you did some really great digging into the book. It just wrapped everything up so nicely. I’m sure that’s exactly why the used the name Malcolm as well and I’m also willing to bet you’re the only one that caught that connection. Great sleuthing! 🙂
I’m a little behind again. (not feeling well and a short hospital stay) but trying to get back on track. Loved last night’s episode.
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I was a little underwhelmed with the name Malcolm as well, until I found this: http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMHQW4_St_Govors_Well_Kensington_Gardens_London_UK Basically there’s a well from “Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens” and the story features someone named Malcolm the Bold. Here’s the excerpt off that page but there might have been something I missed as well!
Next comes St. Govor’s Well, which was full of water when Malcolm the Bold fell into it. He was his mother’s favourite, and he let her put her arm round his neck in public because she was a widow; but he was also partial to adventures, and liked to play with a chimney-sweep who had killed a good many bears. The sweep’s name was Sooty, and one day, when they were playing near the well, Malcolm fell in and would have been drowned had not Sooty dived in and rescued him; and the water had washed Sooty clean, and he now stood revealed as Malcolm’s long-lost father. So Malcolm would not let his mother put her arm round his neck any more.
It’s…very strange but at least it does connect to Pan in some way shape or form?
Kat, you’re on fire tonight! The well is just like NL’s healing springs. Both clean (heal). A character is being revealed as a father. It’s really pointing at Pan being Malcolm.
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Sometimes I feel like they are rewriting the entire Neal character in order to make Hook look better. Neal needs to absolutely apologize and recognize Emma’s hurt but why is it ok that Hook just tried to kill them all 5 days ago!! And then let’s focus on that story for marketing reasons! *eats cookies* Someone post a pretty thing.
YES!! Hate how they are writing for him these days!
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I agree RG. I was looking at the thread over the summer I started about “Your best crack theory–where is Peter Pan on the family Tree”–and I thought he was Hook’s father. Then Team Brothers became a real speculation, and now it looks like Rumple as Pan’s son could even be the truth of it! How funny. So about the dad’s name, apparently it is the name for various kings of Scotland, including the one who takes over after Macbeth who killed his own father. They’ve mentioned that play before I think?
Brilliant kfc! I’m in the middle of working with my daughter on her essay on Hamlet so I can’t believe I missed that. LOL! I think you are bang on for the money!
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Here’s something really crackish, what if this thug, played by Colin Corrigan, becomes the first Dark One?
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I didn’t see any credits for a brother or other young boy. So, I’m thinking that sort of squashes the Rumple/Pan/Bro theory. It’s looking more and more like Malcolm is his father. I also think that Pandora’s box doesn’t actually hold anything, rather it contains the magic that allows you to hold evil somewhere. In this case, young Rumple wished for his father, the father of all evil fathers, to be contained in NL.
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TheGoldenKey wrote: Likes: RG said it best about the fairy dust. The town was all up in arms when Rumple & Reggie took it to stop Cora & Hook from entering SB, back in S2. Now it’s everywhere?! Continuity is slipping and the writing is getting sloppy. Yea, I don’t bet this I thought Regina and Gold took all the dust.
Also, Neal comment did you get that sword out of my cave too It’s because Hook is a pirate and pirates are thieves. 🙁
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Likes:
Wendy’s room. I found myself singing “let’s be quiet as a mouse and build a lovely little house for Wendy”. 🙂 Until of course they crated her back up again. Urrrgggg!!!!
Ariel is just so much fun to watch! Sweet, funny yet sassy. I’d like to see her and granny run lines off each other. 🙂
Belle, we get to see her slowly build herself back up to the brave girl she was when we first met her. Nice to see her finally shaking off that lack of confidence & vulnerability that had taken its toll from years spent in that dungeon.
Grumply/Leroy. Missed him and so happy to see him again. 🙂
Dislikes:
Hook, I’m sick of the writers constantly trying to build him up. He sold Bae off to Pan so Pan would leave him and his pirates alone and now he is putting a knife in Bae’s back trying to win over Emma. Not cool dude!
Henry being so gullible. In another small group, we are calling this “The Heart of the Most Gullible Believer”. Which really begs the question: If Henry truly does have the heart of the TRUEST believer, then why does he believe in Pan’s lies and not the TRUTH?
Michael and John. Really? I mean REALLY? Are we suppose to believe that these bumbling fools could have convinced Tamara and Greg that they were the home office and were old and mature enough to follow? This home office story is just so weak. To say that Pan is the home office just doesn’t explain it at all.
Neal, love him but really disappointed in how they are writing for him. We all fell in love with Bae. He was our hero. We anxiously awaited to find out his fate. I remember when we all “Oohed and Awed” over seeing him walk through Central Park with Lou Reed’s Charley Girl playing in the background. How many of us shouted out “Hello Bae!” and were so thrilled to so him! It’s like they’ve water down his scripts to look weak and wishy/washy next to Hook. They seem to be writing for the fangirls and not telling “their story” at all.
RG said it best about the fairy dust. The town was all up in arms when Rumple & Reggie took it to stop Cora & Hook from entering SB, back in S2. Now it’s everywhere?! Continuity is slipping and the writing is getting sloppy.
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